Pinnacle 1113 ruling set for this Thursday

[WMUSIGPI]

Isn't this the same judge that worked on Mesaba's BK? And isn't the outcome the same? That it was denied the first time.

No, Mesaba's 2005 BK was filed in Minnesota, this was done in New York (for multiple reasons) And as such no it isn't the same judge.
Also, Mesaba filed itself, whereas, Pinnacle filed as the holding company emcompassing all its subsidiaries. (probably the biggest mistake MAIR, the Mesaba holding company made in its quest to screw the employees)

 

[Flyer1015]

jynx, I don't have my employer and school in facebook, and haven't had it for a long time. Anyway, I wrote from the heart sharing opinions on what was happening, and a good 70% was true or came out to be true. Sorry some egos got hurt. Good day.

 

[jynxyjericho]

jynx, I don't have my employer and school in facebook, and haven't had it for a long time. Anyway, I wrote from the heart sharing opinions on what was happening, and a good 70% was true or came out to be true. Sorry some egos got hurt. Good day.

You don't have it now perhaps, you had it then, which is what I said and one way you were found. Reading comprehension is important even as a pilot.

 

[Flyer1015]

You don't have it now perhaps, you had it then, which is what I said and one way you were found. Reading comprehension is important even as a pilot.

Sounds childish in any case. So one got POed on a forum and instead of responding with words they go on facebook to stalk and find out what the person looks like. What is this, first grade?

 

[jynxyjericho]

Sounds childish in any case. So one got POed on a forum and instead of responding with words they go on facebook to stalk and find out what the person looks like. What is this, first grade?

As I told you in the PM's we just had. Some pilots take the stuff you say very personally, and it's not like you are anonymous. Stop pretending guys didn't react to you on the forums with "words", and stop pretending someone stalked you. Stop pretending to be naive as well.

 

[bri5150]

No, Mesaba's 2005 BK was filed in Minnesota, this was done in New York (for multiple reasons) And as such no it isn't the same judge.
Also, Mesaba filed itself, whereas, Pinnacle filed as the holding company emcompassing all its subsidiaries. (probably the biggest mistake MAIR, the Mesaba holding company made in its quest to screw the employees)

Different judge, but I am 90% sure they filed in New York in '06 though. Maybe that was just Delta and NWA I am thinking of.

 

[Flyer1015]

It's a forum. Share your opinion and move on. If you're getting offended on a forum, you are taking life too seriously. Enough thread hijack, moving on topic.

 

[profit]

Different judge, but I am 90% sure they filed in New York in '06 though. Maybe that was just Delta and NWA I am thinking of.

No. Filed in MSP, with the "honorable" judge Gregory Kishel. Oddly, a conspiracy theorist would wonder why Kishel and Paul Foley went to Cornell at about the same time.

NWA and DAL were in New York.

 

[bri5150]

No. Filed in MSP, with the "honorable" judge Gregory Kishel. Oddly, a conspiracy theorist would wonder why Kishel and Paul Foley went to Cornell at about the same time.

NWA and DAL were in New York.

I stand corrected. It's hard to believe, the way some Delta guys talk here, that they were in bankruptcy just 6 years ago.

 

[i fly boxes]

That may be true, but mainline will be flying the 717s. If PNCL pilots get hired at mainline, then they might fly the 717, but there won't be planes given to you. Sorry. A memo came out today from the Sys Chief Pilot saying that the initial 717 bid will be coming out (for mainline pilots) in JAN/FEB with an initial base in ATL, then possibly DTW for the next bid. Looks like Seven is WRONG....


Bye Bye----General Lee

I never said the 717s would be flown at the regional level that's not going to happen. Some people are of the notion though that there is a reason delta has been in the drivers seat for so much of this. Too me it seems there could have been much easier ways to spool us down and get rid of us. We all just want to know what exactly delta wants from us

 

[silver02ex]

No, Mesaba's 2005 BK was filed in Minnesota, this was done in New York (for multiple reasons) And as such no it isn't the same judge.
Also, Mesaba filed itself, whereas, Pinnacle filed as the holding company emcompassing all its subsidiaries. (probably the biggest mistake MAIR, the Mesaba holding company made in its quest to screw the employees)

I was just curious, since I flew with an ex senior Mesaba CA recently who came to the Pinnacle side. He was explaining to me about the last BK. He or I must have got some info mixed up.

 

[jynxyjericho]

I was just curious, since I flew with an ex senior Mesaba CA recently who came to the Pinnacle side. He was explaining to me about the last BK. He or I must have got some info mixed up.

It all blends together after a while for these guys.

 

[xjhawk]

One thing that is blending perfectly is how similar everything is. We won this round but the bankruptcy system is set up to make the company come out as a sustainable operation. Even the judge said in his explanation that the company just has to fix some things and he will say yes to the next filing. I think he even said that it was close, so reading between the lines the company will have to be just a little less than the $60 million. Rose of you who do not want to accept any cuts will have to take a hard look at what the judge wrote. Cuts are coming, it's just a matter if you want to accept the negotiated ones from our union or the next time the company gets it right in front of the judge.

 

[jynxyjericho]

One thing that is blending perfectly is how similar everything is. We won this round but the bankruptcy system is set up to make the company come out as a sustainable operation. Even the judge said in his explanation that the company just has to fix some things and he will say yes to the next filing. I think he even said that it was close, so reading between the lines the company will have to be just a little less than the $60 million. Rose of you who do not want to accept any cuts will have to take a hard look at what the judge wrote. Cuts are coming, it's just a matter if you want to accept the negotiated ones from our union or the next time the company gets it right in front of the judge.

I'm echo'ing the above poster, the Chapter 11 process is set up to rob you, the (non-exec) employee. You're going to take a negotiated cut, the cut from the judge, or the company closing (unlikely). It isn't section 6 contract negotiations. Sorry.

 

[xjhawk]

Agree

 

[i fly boxes]

This december delta "re-fleeting announcement" came from an ariticle in a memphis paper. I have yet to find it anywhere else. Thats convienent isnt it. I wonder if there even is an anouncement at all.

 

[1.3XVso]

"My sources are just repeating what Delta said.

Take the pay cut and we stay in business with aflow through and 90 CRJ900s.

Don't take the pay cut and they have a plan to kill Pinnacle"

the typical 9e pilot group. i give up...

 

[Flyer1015]

What incentive do they have to offer a flow? No shortage of applicants at Delta, 10000 plus apps on file. If 9E gets reduced to just 81 CRJ-900s, that's 900 pilots or so. CAs will be from the 80s and 90s DOH, and FOs will have 7-12+ years. The lifers had their chance to go to northwest or delta in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. They chose to stay for their own personal reasons. So why flow now? If they wanted mainline bad enough, then why not have bailed out in the last three decades? A significant portion have interviewed elsewhere and been turned down. I hate to use the term rejects, because we all have bad interview days. But why would delta take people who 1. Either were never motivated to go anywhere or 2. Were rejected from one or several major/legacy interviews? I think this delta flow rumor is just a bad rumor. But the rumor of 9E pilots flying the delta 717 is the dumbest thing ever.

 

[777forever]

This december delta "re-fleeting announcement" came from an ariticle in a memphis paper. I have yet to find it anywhere else. Thats convienent isnt it. I wonder if there even is an anouncement at all.

seekingalpha.com/article/947411-del...-2012-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=5

"Thank you Richard, Ed and Paul. Before we move to questions I did just want to take a minute and remind everybody as Paul mentioned about our annual Investor Day which will be held on December 12 in New York. So please mark your calendars. We’ll send out more information shortly and we hope to see you all there."

 

[Monster Buck]

What incentive do they have to offer a flow? No shortage of applicants at Delta, 10000 plus apps on file. If 9E gets reduced to just 81 CRJ-900s, that's 900 pilots or so. CAs will be from the 80s and 90s DOH, and FOs will have 7-12+ years. The lifers had their chance to go to northwest or delta in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. They chose to stay for their own personal reasons. So why flow now? If they wanted mainline bad enough, then why not have bailed out in the last three decades? A significant portion have interviewed elsewhere and been turned down. I hate to use the term rejects, because we all have bad interview days. But why would delta take people who 1. Either were never motivated to go anywhere or 2. Were rejected from one or several major/legacy interviews? I think this delta flow rumor is just a bad rumor. But the rumor of 9E pilots flying the delta 717 is the dumbest thing ever.

Wait a minute...are you that punk kid wonder from pinchnickle that made it in that one miracle interview at VA? now coming on here calling people lifer rejects? Just who the buck do you think you are boy! You now the expert? You are a chump.