Pinnacle 1113 ruling set for this Thursday

[General Lee]

Thanks general. I am calm. There are more important things to reserve my emotions for than this career. If I did not say it before, I like your posts and think they are well thought and researched. I just did not like what you said-thats all. Heck-I do not always like what my friends say either. We can all have our opinions.

I hear you. It has been a frustrating decade. Hiring stopped compared to the late 90s, age 65 happened, and the BKs. Not fun for a lot of people. I just stated 1015 made a good move for himself. He got away from PNCL, even without PIC. He can choose to ride it out with Virgin America. It may do well, it may merge with a legacy. Who knows? That was his shot, and he took it. I think PIC is preferable, but LCC FO SIC beats Regional only SIC. That is what I was trying to say. He will have a good shot at another move if he wants, and your PIC will get you where you want to go. Come up with a plan on where you want to go, pick a few choices. Go out and try to meet people who fly there, job fairs, etc. Network and keep flying and don't make mistakes with the FAA, and you'll make it.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[gearjockey]

Why are you more qualified than flyer 1015? Maybe Flyer 1015 Just wasn't old enough or fortunate enough to be hired before you. Everyone's going to be hired as an FO, after all. There's minimum qualifications (which flyer has) and there's the real question; do I want to sit next to this guy and work with him (never a question with her, I don't careimp Thankfully, airlines are concentrating almost exclusively on personality. If I were HR, I would never hire the top %10 of any sen. list. They are most often the worst crew members and pose a risk. Maybe Rickair can weigh in on that, he seems to be Mr. HR on this forum. Obviously flyer interviewed well and has proven he can fly the airbus. He was hired at pinnacle to be a CA so he most likely has those "decision making skills".

what you are saying is right, but lets look at this. Many I know want out but where are we suppose to go when they hire FO's with no PIC before a more qualified pilot-oh thats right, Flyer says we are substandard and lazy. I and many like me have applied at Virgin, Emirates, Jetblue, Atlas, but stopped short at some others for financial reasons. I will take a hit for a couple years but cannot take a hit for 10. That being said, if Pinnacle goes away, I will take a hit no matter what but I have to hold out and hope that the ones doing the hiring at the majors will look at years of airline experience with valuable PIC decision making experience will put us ahead of those like flyer who have only proved that they can fly an airbus (which i might add as I said before I had no problem flying in the SIM when I had 250 hours-or that many foreign carriers put those 300 hour wonders in a 320). I suppose Delta will be doing the same as those foreign carriers in a few short years. Oh well, anyone over 40 with 10 years at a regional will be looked upon as untrainable while ......never mind. its a lost cause

 

[xjhawk]

Why are you more qualified than flyer 1015? Maybe Flyer 1015 Just wasn't old enough or fortunate enough to be hired before you. Everyone's going to be hired as an FO, after all. There's minimum qualifications (which flyer has) and there's the real question; do I want to sit next to this guy and work with him (never a question with her, I don't careimp Thankfully, airlines are concentrating almost exclusively on personality. If I were HR, I would never hire the top %10 of any sen. list. They are most often the worst crew members and pose a risk. Maybe Rickair can weigh in on that, he seems to be Mr. HR on this forum. Obviously flyer interviewed well and has proven he can fly the airbus. He was hired at pinnacle to be a CA so he most likely has those "decision making skills".

Just another person to put on my ignore list.... making assumptions on peoples personality and qualifications just based on age or where they are on a seniority list shows your severe lack of reasoning and intellect. Why dont you get out and meet and fly with some of these people before you make assumptions about their personality and aviation skills. Just maybe you are trying to say that the top 10% of a seniority list are most content and therefore not applying at other jobs for whatever personal reason they have chosen. I will not seeing your response as I am about done with trying to beat sense into people

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Why are you more qualified than flyer 1015? Maybe Flyer 1015 Just wasn't old enough or fortunate enough to be hired before you. Everyone's going to be hired as an FO, after all. There's minimum qualifications (which flyer has) and there's the real question; do I want to sit next to this guy and work with him (never a question with her, I don't careimp Thankfully, airlines are concentrating almost exclusively on personality. If I were HR, I would never hire the top %10 of any sen. list. They are most often the worst crew members and pose a risk. Maybe Rickair can weigh in on that, he seems to be Mr. HR on this forum. Obviously flyer interviewed well and has proven he can fly the airbus. He was hired at pinnacle to be a CA so he most likely has those "decision making skills".

Really? I can't wait to fly with people that have more experience then me. I loved it when I was a new hire. I was in the top 10% before the SLI. You would not hire me or want to fly with me? I pose a risk? Again, I can't wait to fly with someone 20 years older and more experience. I dream of it. To learn more and watch and work with somebody that has twice the hours would be awsome. Maybe you should check your ego and relax. No need to prove yourself in the 121 CRM world. It is much safer and fun. Good Luck!

 

[e=mc2]

Could just be a simple fact they don't want to hire losers and pinnacle is full of them.

 

[SoberIrishman]

No, the simple fact is that Pinnacle is done, probably before mid 2013. All the delta money has been drawn down. All gone. There are hundreds of fine people there that will be faced with the same treatment given to Comair.

The other scenario is concessions to force the bar even lower, and that won't buy but a few months, but will screw everyone else for years. A firm stand needs to be taken against this corporate piracy by the majors, however we can't blame 9E pilots for trying to save their jobs. Not their fault for employer mismanagement.

This is the cold reality, brought about in large part by those who are happy to take jobs at one of the most disgusting operations ever started, Ho-jets.
No matter their background, those people deserve zero respect. And don't tell me there was nowhere else to go! Employing that operation as a Delta brand is a disgrace, and using the name of a great aviator as a call sign makes me sick.

Regional "lifer" and happy to be so!

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[1.3XVso]

Could just be a simple fact they don't want to hire losers and pinnacle is full of them.

This guy just summed up 9e in one sentence! And don't forget spineless.

The writing on the wall was back when I got hired in 03. Do the math.

 

[big shacks]

Back in 03 I was at 9e ...the glory days! Things were great.

 

[Flyer1015]

No, the simple fact is that Pinnacle is done, probably before mid 2013. All the delta money has been drawn down. All gone. There are hundreds of fine people there that will be faced with the same treatment given to Comair.

The other scenario is concessions to force the bar even lower, and that won't buy but a few months, but will screw everyone else for years. A firm stand needs to be taken against this corporate piracy by the majors, however we can't blame 9E pilots for trying to save their jobs. Not their fault for employer mismanagement.

This is the cold reality, brought about in large part by those who are happy to take jobs at one of the most disgusting operations ever started, Ho-jets.
No matter their background, those people deserve zero respect. And don't tell me there was nowhere else to go! Employing that operation as a Delta brand is a disgrace, and using the name of a great aviator as a call sign makes me sick.

Regional "lifer" and happy to be so!

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Why be mad about a gamble the TSA MEC made and lost? Their owner made it clear he wanted an operation at a certain wage set. If you don't accept it, are you surprised he started GoJets? I'll agree that initially it was a shady place, but GoJets today in 2012 is like ANY other regional out there. Today, GoJets hasn't done anything another regional didn't do already. You write all this, but where was the uproar when 9E received 125 CRJ-200s while mainline DC9s and 727s were parked post 9/11? Where was the uproar when Pinnacle received RJs that were actually suppose to go to another RJ operator, but mainline decided to use the planes as carrots?

 

[1.3XVso]

Back in 03 I was at 9e ...the glory days! Things were great.

Did you inject koolaide or snorted it?