Pilots, White Collar or Blue Collar

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, is there something wrong with being paid a decent wage to do something you like, that makes you feel good about your chosen profession, and that you left and came back to because compared to another type of job it is the best job out there? A job you wanted from the first time you saw an airplane as a kid in1947. Is that what you are saying?

Of course not.

Is there something wrong with being politically engage in the process that effect your pay and work rules?

Is it wrong to be represented on the issues that effect you?

 

[PCL_128]

What has the current Admin done to support your profession?

It's not the administration's job to advance my profession. That's my job. The administration's job is to protect the citizens of this country, uphold the rule of law, and advance economic policy that benefits all citizens. They've done an excellent job as far as I'm concerned. If you're expecting the administration to fight your labor battles for you, then you're expecting too much of any administration.

But since you asked the question, I'll turn it back on you: what did the Clinton administration do for labor (remember NAFTA?)? How about the Carter administration (remember, deregulation was signed in '78 by good 'ole Jimmy)?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It's not the administration's job to advance my profession. That's my job.

Is it the Admins job to restrict it?

The administration's job is to protect the citizens of this country, uphold the rule of law, and advance economic policy that benefits all citizens.

Sounds like a quote from Civics 101. Are you willing to regress in your career for the benefit of all citizens?

They've done an excellent job as far as I'm concerned.

Of course... from your perspective.

You haven't been furloughed or displaced yet. Or voted on a concessionary TA and felt the pain of pay cuts and work rule regressions, like a majority of the Air Line Pilots have. Until then.......? !!

If you're expecting the administration to fight your labor battles for you, then you're expecting too much of any administration.

HA! I expect the Admin to do exactly what they are doing! For they are not in favor or labor! However, I do expect those who are Air Line Pilots to recognize the forces that are working for and against them and act accordingly. Have you ever been working hard to push something only to find someone in the same uniform pushing back.

But since you asked the question, I'll turn it back on you: what did the Clinton administration do for labor (remember NAFTA?)? How about the Carter administration (remember, deregulation was signed in '78 by good 'ole Jimmy)?

More of this? GOP vs. DEM stuff....

ok... I'll be stupid.... Did NAFTA effect the RLA? I really don't know.

Actually, dereg was pushed by good ol Teddy Kennedy. Phil Bakes was a lobbyist/lawyer who orchistated dereg and was rewarded by Lorenzo with the EAL Prez job. And as you know Lorenzo was in bed politically with Bush I.

How about this... what do you think of the Bush II Admin changing the LM-2 reporting requirements and causing unions to spend MILLIONS of dollars in dues money un-necessarily...

 

[Whine Lover]

Brown Collar.

That's because the krAp that doesn't spew from a Pilot's mouth has a tendency to fill his wee cranium and spill from his ears onto his collar...


I Love Me Too.


YKW

 

[PCL_128]

Is it the Admins job to restrict it?

Nope. The fact that they do is certainly unfortunate, but I have much more important issues to worry about when voting: national security, the overall economy, states' rights, etc... I can't base all of my voting decisions upon labor issues, and neither should you.

Sounds like a quote from Civics 101. Are you willing to regress in your career for the benefit of all citizens?

Yes, but I don't think it has to be an either/or proposition. We can vote for politicians that are good for the country while upholding our profession at the same time. It certainly becomes more difficult when the administration isn't friendly towards labor, but again, I have more important things to worry about when voting for a President, Congressman, or Senator. An extra 5% on my next paycheck doesn't help me much if the President, Congress, and Senate are taking actions that will decimate the economy and create an environment of stagflation.

ok... I'll be stupid.... Did NAFTA effect the RLA? I really don't know.

Not likely, but it certainly affected labor in this country to an extreme extent. NAFTA has decimated the manufacturing sector in this country. You've frequently mentioned that labor always had a voice in the Clinton administration. A lot of good it did them. Lip service from an administration may make you feel better, but it doesn't really help anyone.

How about this... what do you think of the Bush II Admin changing the LM-2 reporting requirements and causing unions to spend MILLIONS of dollars in dues money un-necessarily...

I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Again, I don't pretend that the administration is friendly to labor. I just believe that smart citizens prioritize, and national security, the war on terror, and the overall economy are much higher on the priority scale than LM-2 filings.

 

[pilotyip]

World Economy

NAFTA has been a big benefit in our business 35% of our trips go into and out of Mexico and Canada. The standard of living is rising in Mexico and they have a growing middle class. NAFTA was a good idea. Without NAFTA, the manufacturing would have gone to China or India or someplace. Look at the British protection of their economy. Particularly the steel industry, from the 40's through the late 70's. They were completely non-competitive with anyone.

 

[Whine Lover]

Geniuses.

 

[Whine Lover]

Kerk A Durkistan/

 

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NAFTA has been a big benefit in our business 35% of our trips go into and out of Mexico and Canada. The standard of living is rising in Mexico and they have a growing middle class. NAFTA was a good idea. Without NAFTA, the manufacturing would have gone to China or India or someplace. Look at the British protection of their economy. Particularly the steel industry, from the 40's through the late 70's. They were completely non-competitive with anyone.

You only think that Mexico has a rising middle class because, unlike the US of A, they are a caste/class society. What you are seeing is an increase in the lower upper class. The ruling class has absolutly zero regard for their poor, tired, and downtrodden. Those classes are encouraged to emigrate to America, so that we will provide health care and the Mexican upperclass can concentrate on their latest Senorita. Yes, they're a sexist society as well.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Nope. The fact that they do is certainly unfortunate, but I have much more important issues to worry about when voting: national security, the overall economy, states' rights, etc... I can't base all of my voting decisions upon labor issues,

Again, I don't pretend that the administration is friendly to labor. I just believe that smart citizens prioritize, and national security, the war on terror, and the overall economy are much higher on the priority scale than LM-2 filings.

National Security.......

Like Dubai Ports......

or how about the foreign control of airlines, which would, significantly alter your career or job...negatively.... but more importantly (for you) it would...


Place foreign pilots in control of our jets in domestic airline operations. Are hiring and background checks going to be up to US standards? Well they won't have to be....

Adversly effect CRAF or Civil Reserve Air Fleet. Is it a good idea to call Air France and Suadi Air to move our troops and supplies to areas of the world that threaten our National Security?


Are you concerned that the White House and DOT are circumventing Congress on this issue?

Not sure what you think you are getting out of this White House.... is National Security something?

The WH is concerned with the dollar and they do not care how it effects you.

 

[plattsburgher]

Blue collar?

Blue collar workers wouldn't generate 8 pages on a thread devoted to this question.

 

[jetflier]

I have to throw this in.......white collar workers don't wear clip on ties !