Pilots wearing backpacks??? lets get campy?

[TinGoose1]

I say we outlaw bad haircuts, non-uniform coats/sweaters, oversized pens, shoes that don't reflect light, and chicks. Who's with me?

 

[Dumbluck]

I say we outlaw bad haircuts, non-uniform coats/sweaters, oversized pens, shoes that don't reflect light, and chicks. Who's with me?__________________


Is that sarcasm, or are u a sky-nazi wannabe

 

[ihateyourego]

what a terrible thread. perfect forum to see if my new avatar works. Go PATS!

 

[BenderGonzales]

This is a good opportunity to reflect on the posts of Flightinfo past.

The following was posted by an A330 Captain on Feb 4, 2004:

Hat
Don't start this crap again, please. If you don't want to look professional, act responsibly by following company procedures, and refuse to wear your hat, Get another F*****g job!
I spent too many years proudly wearing a hat and uniform to watch you little piss ants whine about wearing them. Grow up and do your job and quit complaining about yout hat.

Interesting that those who came before us are more than willing to follow their company procedures and comply with the dress code in the operations manual. It's only these young generation "Y" children who want to try and bend the rules to show how "rebelious" they can be.

I still find it amusing that these are the same guys who dress all prim and proper in their dark suit and red tie during the interview. A year later they can't be bothered to follow their company uniform code. If they can't be bothered to dress as per the company requirements, what other sections of the ops manual are they dismissing?

This is silly. If the company wants you to wear a PINK hat. Wear it. They sign the paycheck. If there's nothing in your ops manual about a backpack, then I suppose there's no argument. If you choose to look like an 18 year-old Applebees waiter rather than a professional airline pilot -- then maybe there's no stopping you.

But that's generation "y" for you.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This is a good opportunity to reflect on the posts of Flightinfo past.

The following was posted by an A330 Captain on Feb 4, 2004:

Hat
Don't start this crap again, please. If you don't want to look professional, act responsibly by following company procedures, and refuse to wear your hat, Get another F*****g job!
I spent too many years proudly wearing a hat and uniform to watch you little piss ants whine about wearing them. Grow up and do your job and quit complaining about yout hat.

Interesting that those who came before us are more than willing to follow their company procedures and comply with the dress code in the operations manual. It's only these young generation "Y" children who want to try and bend the rules to show how "rebelious" they can be.

I still find it amusing that these are the same guys who dress all prim and proper in their dark suit and red tie during the interview. A year later they can't be bothered to follow their company uniform code. If they can't be bothered to dress as per the company requirements, what other sections of the ops manual are they dismissing?

This is silly. If the company wants you to wear a PINK hat. Wear it. They sign the paycheck. If there's nothing in your ops manual about a backpack, then I suppose there's no argument. If you choose to look like an 18 year-old Applebees waiter rather than a professional airline pilot -- then maybe there's no stopping you.

But that's generation "y" for you.

DG,

I think it has to do more with struggle dues paying. I hopped around my 135 freight jobs trying to get break. When I did I was grateful. How is one expected to follow rules when everything is handed to them.

Right now the Y guys flying thier RJs are competing with cars on distances around 500 bucks.

The anti-authority, anti-establishment look just isn't working out for some passengers. It isn't working for me either...


BTW are you coming 'round to Wal Mart and thier evil ways? :0

Rez

 

[BenderGonzales]

I agree of course. Like most of us I did the flight instruction thing to about 1500 hours, then flew freight for another thousand hours or so in questionable multi-engine airplanes. But that was a time when Piedmont and Allegheny were the cream of the crop and required 2500 TT and a lunar-landing to get an interview!

Guess I just dont understand this generation -- or maybe i'm just jealous.

As for Wal-Mart, Fraid' not Rez. Though I intend to watch the show on "Frontline" tonight at 9. I just bought a nice winter coat (made in Italy) on Walmart.com for $55.

Some of us are just hopeless I guess.

I always appreciate the debate though.

 

[TinGoose1]

No debate, I was being sarcastic. I say we outlaw white middle aged know it alls. If someone doesn't want to wear a cover, that's their business. In the Marine Corps we wore our covers only when we were under arms. If your backing heat, go and wear that Nazi cap with pride. I'm not beating people up who think they look dabber in the threads, but I also could care less with those that don't. Grow up and let other people dress themselves.

 

[Dumbluck]

I know you werebeing sarcastic, I can't believe there are 250 posts about this. As stated at least 125 times, your are a professioal act like it, Chief pilots shouldn't be enforcing a dress code to (hopefully) adults. If you don't like it, shut up and wear it anyway

 

[405]

I don't think the paying public gives a rat's butt whether a pilot carries a backpack or tows a big impressive leather flight bag or has a pretty pink fuzzy Barbie suitcase. As long as they get a cheap ticket, they don't care.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I don't think the paying public gives a rat's butt whether a pilot carries a backpack or tows a big impressive leather flight bag or has a pretty pink fuzzy Barbie suitcase. As long as they get a cheap ticket, they don't care.

This is the spring loaded, unoriginal, crewroom, mindless, default response that the backpack wearers use.....

Next time you fly your high performance jet why not ask ten passengers any one of the following questions...

As long your ticket is cheap, do you care about your pilots appearance?

Since your ticket was cheap is it ok if your pilot looks like a backpacking mormon going to school?

Are you willing to sacrfice your pilots consummate professionalism and appearance for a cheap ticket?

You saw your pilot I-pod jammin in uniform on the way to the aircraft, as long as your ticket was at rock bottom cost, you don't mind if he jams all the way to your destination?




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Now, lets talk about YOUR dollar! Apply the previous questions now that youre the consumer. Youre buying services from an accountant, tax advisor, etc...

Heck.. as long as the food is cheap, do you mind if your waitress brings your food jamming to her I-pod, smoking, sloppy hair and clothes, using profanity, drops your plate on the table and walks away... Who cares right..it is the cheapest food in town. And since she didn't bring you silverwear just lean forward and stick your snout in the trough....? In the Air Line industry that is exactly what you are saying to the passengers... Stick your snout in my trough...


This industry sucks right now but it is everyones fault and you aren't even willing to project a positive image. I hate the reactionary... Simple sheep who are a product of thier environment. They are defined by thier environment... So much for leadership... it is more like sheepship....

 

[flyboyzii]

# 252 and counting. This may be one of the reasons.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=58409

 

[405]

This is the spring loaded, unoriginal, crewroom, mindless, default response that the backpack wearers use.....

Next time you fly your high performance jet why not ask ten passengers any one of the following questions...

As long your ticket is cheap, do you care about your pilots appearance?

Since your ticket was cheap is it ok if your pilot looks like a backpacking mormon going to school?

Are you willing to sacrfice your pilots consummate professionalism and appearance for a cheap ticket?

You saw your pilot I-pod jammin in uniform on the way to the aircraft, as long as your ticket was at rock bottom cost, you don't mind if he jams all the way to your destination?






​

Now, lets talk about YOUR dollar! Apply the previous questions now that youre the consumer. Youre buying services from an accountant, tax advisor, etc...

Heck.. as long as the food is cheap, do you mind if your waitress brings your food jamming to her I-pod, smoking, sloppy hair and clothes, using profanity, drops your plate on the table and walks away... Who cares right..it is the cheapest food in town. And since she didn't bring you silverwear just lean forward and stick your snout in the trough....? In the Air Line industry that is exactly what you are saying to the passengers... Stick your snout in my trough...


This industry sucks right now but it is everyones fault and you aren't even willing to project a positive image. I hate the reactionary... Simple sheep who are a product of thier environment. They are defined by thier environment... So much for leadership... it is more like sheepship....

Rez, before you stroke out let me clarify my post. I wasn't taking sides on the backpack subject. I could really care less.

I was simply stating that most passengers I have ever seen sitting at a gate have this glazed, I-don't-give-a-sh*t look on their faces. They want a cheap ticket, they want to get to their destination yesterday, they don't want to be delayed and they want whatever airline they're on to NOT lose their luggage. That is all I meant with my post.

Relax.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, before you stroke out let me clarify my post. I wasn't taking sides on the backpack subject. I could really care less.

I was simply stating that most passengers I have ever seen sitting at a gate have this glazed, I-don't-give-a-sh*t look on their faces. They want a cheap ticket, they want to get to their destination yesterday, they don't want to be delayed and they want whatever airline they're on to NOT lose their luggage. That is all I meant with my post.

Relax.

Relaxing.....

I think the look on the pax face is a delusional change in expectations in that when they bought thier dirt cheap ticket they were euphoric, but now they're at the airport they realize they are getting treated like cattle.... They can't make the disconnection....

 

[CA1900]

In the Air Line industry that is exactly what you are saying to the passengers... Stick your snout in my trough...

Ohhhhhh, some days it'd be so tempting.

 

[BenderGonzales]

I agree with Rez,

Yes. The passenger wants a cheap ticket. I want cheap groceries. I want a cheap automobile. Like almost every other red-blooded american I shop around to find the best price for the goods and services I purchase.

That being said...

I still have certain expectations for those goods and services. I expect a physician to be dressed professionally, clean cut, and to have a good command of the English language.

If I saw a young man with long, nappy hair, a nose-piercing, a tattoo on his neck, who was wearing a def-leopard t-shirt and torn jeans and he was introduced to me as my SURGEON... YEAH! I have a problem with with!

First impressions, like it or not, are those that stick.

When I was in college I wanted to get laid. So did you.

There was likely a "big" girl who was willing to do the deed. Unless you were under the influence you probably declined.

Why? She was offering to provide a service. The price was right. (free or the cost of a few tacos) So why did you decline?

Because your first impression of her led you to believe that it would not be a high-quality experience.

She was probably a very nice person. Terrific personality. Very smart, extremely articulate.... but you said no.

Why? Because human-beings are hard-wired to trust our perceptions.

That's why it doesn't bother me if some kid who speaks ebonics and has a comb sticking out of his head serves my McValue Meal. But if the SAME person was representing me in a court of law i'd be distressed. It has nothing to do with what I paid for the service. It has to do with my expectations of a professional.

If you asked your passengers this question, what would the answer be?

"Would you pay $10 extra for an exceptional pilot, instead of an average pilot?"

The answer would most likely be yes. But how does the average airline passenger distinguish between exceptional and average. All they have to judge you by is your appearance. They believe that the way you dress reflects the care you give to everything you do in your job.

If you wear your uniform as your company requires, coat buttoned, hat on, clean cut hair, hopefully a fit-weight (we all try)... then they will translate that to mean that you are just as diligent about the way you approach the FLYING aspect of your job.

You guys can argue time and time again that the hats and the backpacks are irrelevent. The sad fact is that you're wrong.

After being an airline pilot for over 10 years I am now an airline customer. I hear the comments made by other passengers. I know my own perceptions when I see crewmembers wearing their I-pods, backpack slung over their shoulder and carrying their hat so as not to mess up their American-Idol haircut.

Perception is reality folks. Your grandparents would be ashamed of how some of you dress yourselves.

 

[PCL_128]

Exactly. Best post in this thread.

 

[indianboy7]

When I was in college I wanted to get laid. So did you.

There was likely a "big" girl who was willing to do the deed. Unless you were under the influence you probably declined.

I thought fat girls try harder...making the product better...........eh....

Everything else you said was dead on.......if people have a good experience on a flight with people who are professional and properly to their job, they're more likely to come back..........regional or major, cargo or international, it's the same principal everywhere. If we start giving people the impression that the people who are responsible for their lives are immature, we may not have a job next year. I have passengers always ask me how old I am "because you look too young to be flying an airplane"...even though my hair's fallin out and I got a big gut..........the passenger perception of us is a very important part of this business.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Bender,

good post.

but whats going to change? look at the threads here...

"I just got hired, what bag do I need, what sunglasses?, what Ipod headphones?, do I have to wear the hat?"

Its a lost cause!


PS - easy on the fat chiks...anyone who has not lowered thier standards immensely at the end of the night at least once or twice is a liar and I dont trust them.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Hey man, you dont have to tell me. I MARRIED one!!

 

[ATRCAPT]

I hate to keep beating this dead horse, I just saw a younger looking f/o in PHX the other day in full uniform with rollerbag and flightcase. He was wearing a backpack which, honestly doesn't bother me. What irritated me was the fact that he had his skate board strapped to it. Just my 2 cents, but I thought it looked extremely unprofessional.