Pilots wearing backpacks??? lets get campy?

[Snakum]

And yes, FN FAL is gay.

Did his wife tell you that? Well ... you gotta consider the source.


Minh

 

[Sig]

Line dog:
You know, I was paid 3 shekels a week flying NTS-inop MU2s in and out of McMurdo to the Sudan, lighting my own roadside flares to aggravate the natives and throw of the SAMs. By god, I changed my uniform 14 times a day, shaved thrice, ironed the skin on my back to make sure I didn't get too comfortable, and averaged killing myself in a fireball twice weekly.

I was proud of those shekels.


Greenhorn:
Dude, what's thrice?

 

[Spinplate]

Isnt there a way to just delete a thread FOREVER!!!!!!!

 

[AdSo81]

Is this a joke? Screw the rest of the problems we face everday, lets get pissed about backpacks!

 

[GotActual?]

Im not getting into this debate anymore than to say that many of these post state there is not a good reason to wear a backpack. I carry a backpack for the following reason:

I don't make enough money to eat out all of the time, so I have to carry a lunch box with me on trips. Its a professional looking crew lunch bag (check it out on ebags.com) all black, that fits over the handle of my roller bag. I also carry a flight case. AND, I carry a laptop. I physically cannot fit all of these things onto my suitcase. If you can come up with a way for me to fit a laptop case, my crew lunch cooler, and my flight case all onto my roller bag, I will stop carrying a laptop case that happens to be an all black backpack that matches the rest of my luggage.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Im not getting into this debate anymore than to say that many of these post state there is not a good reason to wear a backpack. I carry a backpack for the following reason:


I don't make enough money to eat out all of the time, so I have to carry a lunch box with me on trips. Its a professional looking crew lunch bag (check it out on ebags.com) all black, that fits over the handle of my roller bag. I also carry a flight case. AND, I carry a laptop. I physically cannot fit all of these things onto my suitcase. If you can come up with a way for me to fit a laptop case, my crew lunch cooler, and my flight case all onto my roller bag, I will stop carrying a laptop case that happens to be an all black backpack that matches the rest of my luggage.

Do you really carry FOUR bags with you on your Regional Jet? Where you flying that thing to? China?

FOUR BAGS??!!!

Which one do you carry your skirt in?

 

[PCL_128]

Im not getting into this debate anymore than to say that many of these post state there is not a good reason to wear a backpack. I carry a backpack for the following reason:

I don't make enough money to eat out all of the time, so I have to carry a lunch box with me on trips. Its a professional looking crew lunch bag (check it out on ebags.com) all black, that fits over the handle of my roller bag. I also carry a flight case. AND, I carry a laptop. I physically cannot fit all of these things onto my suitcase. If you can come up with a way for me to fit a laptop case, my crew lunch cooler, and my flight case all onto my roller bag, I will stop carrying a laptop case that happens to be an all black backpack that matches the rest of my luggage.

Sounds like you need to stop carrying either your lunchbox or your laptop. Your professional image shouldn't suffer just because you need to carry more bags than a high-maintenance woman going on a three week safari.

 

[8HourPilot]

Hey Terry, you do make quite a few good points, but i assure you one thing. Not all these pilot factories create whiny little brats that carry backpacks, and never shave. I know what you are getting at, but not everyone has the shiny jet syndrome.

Just curious, what frac did you go to?

 

[GotActual?]

Sounds like you need to stop carrying either your lunchbox or your laptop. Your professional image shouldn't suffer just because you need to carry more bags than a high-maintenance woman going on a three week safari.

Do you really carry FOUR bags with you on your Regional Jet? Where you flying that thing to? China?

FOUR BAGS??!!!

Which one do you carry your skirt in?

Im not high maintenance but as a female I dont wear the same pair of jeans every day of a four day.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Im not high maintenance but as a female I dont wear the same pair of jeans every day of a four day.....

Now THAT is professional!! I hate it when crewmembers wear the same pair of jeans on the second overnight!

If you can come up with a way for me to fit a laptop case, my crew lunch cooler, and my flight case all onto my roller bag, I will stop carrying a laptop case that happens to be an all black backpack that matches the rest of my luggage.

Luggage Works (PNT) sells no backpacks. Why? Becuase thier market is professional pilots and flight attendants... Not school kids....

(they do sell a cooler type bag for food)

They have a complete and professional looking system to haul your computer, 1500w hair dryer, food, BOB, second business, full civilian outfit for each day on the road including reduced rest overnights, magazines, make up, Brad Pitt photo album, novella and all the other "stuff" including that extra "stuff". And then there are shoes.... Work shoes, evening shoes, slides, mules, sling backs, sandals, slippers, flip flops, espadrills, clogs and flats. Now lets talk colors.....

And finally hair accessories, which of course is needed for company grooming compliance.

The nice thing about it, is...you don't have to wear your luggage.

http://www.luggageworksonline.com/default.asp

 

[semperfido]

Im not high maintenance but as a female I dont wear the same pair of jeans every day of a four day.....

not to worry--my one bag is probably bigger than your four. it usually takes two guys to lift it into baggage of a g5

 

[AAflyer]

Sounds like you need to stop carrying either your lunchbox or your laptop. Your professional image shouldn't suffer just because you need to carry more bags than a high-maintenance woman going on a three week safari.

Thats kinda funny....

AA

 

[Big Paps]

at least backpacks aren't as bad as 70's lamb chops

 

[acaTerry]

I look 18, and there really isn't much that I can do about it (although I am 24).

One day you'll be thankful to have that problem!

 

[acaTerry]

Hey Terry, you do make quite a few good points, but i assure you one thing. Not all these pilot factories create whiny little brats that carry backpacks, and never shave. I know what you are getting at, but not everyone has the shiny jet syndrome.

Just curious, what frac did you go to?

I have dealt quite a bit with academy pilots in and out of the line world. Now I can't justifiably say that the all are this way, but i have to say that60-65% of the ones I have dealt with are looking to do the minimum necessary that they can get away with, yet somehow they expect the best. I have seen and flown with some very good academy pilots, but more often than not they have that "chicks dig me, I'm cool..." etc attitude and that half-a$$ appearance. Long sideburns, spikey hair, baggy pants, etc.
I can't blame them too much, they are poisoned by the sales pitch at their schools and are never told to take each step of their flying career seriously. CFI-ing is looked at as a time builing course, those kind of things. The senior instructors get the high and mighty syndrome where they pride themselves in being feared by students, and that only feeds the lousy attitude the students get.
I think that the minimums should be raised to pre-911 days again. This way the regionals can have better quality pilots with better attitudes. I see airfare is going up again, and some airlines are even making money. Maybe this is the faint pulse of a recovery. I just hope the crews are brought up with the recovery.
Oh, you asked...I am at NJA and life is SO much better than it was at the airlines. Alot of you guys might want to give frac flying a thought.

 

[BornAgainPagan]

I'll chime in as an; it's not unprofessional to wear a backpack in uniform. it's a practical tool and some folks prefer it.

what about stickers on luggage?

does it depend on the sticker?

rez? since you're the self-proclaimed authority of all that is pro or unpro....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'll chime in as an; it's not unprofessional to wear a backpack in uniform. it's a practical tool and some folks prefer it.

what about stickers on luggage?

does it depend on the sticker?

rez? since you're the self-proclaimed authority of all that is pro or unpro....

It is all about preception. What does your fellow pilot think? If you don't care what your fellow pilot thinks than you have an attitude problem.

What does your company think?

What do your passengers think?

Here is an flight bag/sticker discussion.....

At UAL (correct me if I'm wrong fellas), the company buys your bag, so they can have policy that says no stickers, including company and ALPA. Some guys do..most guys don't at UAL.

At the regionals, where the pilot has to buy his own bag, he can put whatever he likes on his bag... knowing a too risky sticker will catch the CP's attention.

I have ALPA stickers, US Flag, and of course my BAFAN Sticker. Sure no stickers would be better, but I don't think my stickers are embarrassing to my fellow pilots or would cause concern for my passengers...

I flew with a guy that a simple 'dmb' sticker..... no big deal. Considered it myself...

Now the stickers that say "I'm not a pilot, I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Last Night" might be funny to the user, but the pax afraid of flying might not find comfort in it.

The Korn , NIN, Social Distortion, I am boger picker..etc.... not really sure they have a place on flight cases.....

It all comes down to attitude and perception. Are you in it for me or we? Professionals have an inherit concern for thier passengers/clients/patients. Workers just do thier job and watch the clock.

I guess I could be percieved as a self proclaimed annoying pain in the as$. My intent is to offer opinions and influence. Not dictate.....

 

[CapnVegetto]

I'll chime in as an; it's not unprofessional to wear a backpack in uniform. it's a practical tool and some folks prefer it.

what about stickers on luggage?

does it depend on the sticker?

rez? since you're the self-proclaimed authority of all that is pro or unpro....

You and I haven't agreed on much in the past, but here's something that we have some common ground on. I'm right with ya here.

 

[crashpad]

Let's not forget those fuking army boots the regional spuds think pass as standard uniform code.

 

[acaTerry]

Let's not forget those fuking army boots the regional spuds think pass as standard uniform code.

I already brought that up in one of my previous tirades...

 

[Monster Buck]

Idiot non-uniform wearin, bozo shoe wearin, crumb cake dorks that put mainline stickers or tags on their bags so that others might think they fly the big jets, wear their tie half undone, or thier clip-ons half off, or even no tie at all walking through the terminal, or think that if they just take off thier tie and boards they can drink in the bar, or commute more comfortably in disguise............ degenerates.

 

[ERJDRVR2]

I have one better !!

I just DH to CVG in the back of an MD80. While reading the paper I looked up to see some jack-off wearing his headsets with boom mike !! I thought I must be mistaken. Clearly I was mistaken and just some guy wearing a Bose noise XL headset. NOPE, a Comair Cpt was wearing his Bose headsets in full uniform in the back of the MD80.
I do nto think the back-pack is that big of a deal if you are hauling books to study from, but this IDIOT was an embarrassment to us all.
Someone needs to tell him to knock it off.

 

[hbrow15]

It is all about preception. What does your fellow pilot think? If you don't care what your fellow pilot thinks than you have an attitude problem.


At UAL (correct me if I'm wrong fellas), the company buys your bag, so they can have policy that says no stickers, including company and ALPA. Some guys do..most guys don't at UAL.


I have ALPA stickers, US Flag, and of course my BAFAN Sticker. Sure no stickers would be better, but I don't think my stickers are embarrassing to my fellow pilots or would cause concern for my passengers...

I flew with a guy that a simple 'dmb' sticker..... no big deal. Considered it myself...

Now the stickers that say "I'm not a pilot, I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Last Night" might be funny to the user, but the pax afraid of flying might not find comfort in it.


I guess I could be percieved as a self proclaimed annoying pain in the as$. My intent is to offer opinions and influence. Not dictate.....

does this mean that if a fellow pilot told you they thought your stickers on your flight case was unprofessional you would remove them?

I'm not sure how you can relate backpacks to school kids but not stickers? my daughter has "Dora the Explorer" stickers and all kinds of other stickers she gets from school for doing something good on her notebook and backpack. I would imagine her stickers are just as important to her to have on her school kid style backpack as you do on your professional flight case. I personally dont care if a guy has stickers on his or her flight case it's just not my thing. I'm sure there are things the guys that have been around for an extended period of time did when they first started that they were told would be the end of the idustry as i'm sure when we're the "cagy old vets" we will have something to say about the "kids" coming behind us. If anything I find it more of a concern that we(myself included) are spending this much time debating backpacks when NWA is in the processes of busting unions and talking about farming out the the Pilots flying to Champion Air, another ALPA unit. I guess management really is smater than us, they can slide this under the radar by reading this board and see what really matters to us......stickers and backpacks..

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

does this mean that if a fellow pilot told you they thought your stickers on your flight case was unprofessional you would remove them?

I'm not sure how you can relate backpacks to school kids but not stickers? my daughter has "Dora the Explorer" stickers and all kinds of other stickers she gets from school for doing something good on her notebook and backpack. I would imagine her stickers are just as important to her to have on her school kid style backpack as you do on your professional flight case. I personally dont care if a guy has stickers on his or her flight case it's just not my thing. I'm sure there are things the guys that have been around for an extended period of time did when they first started that they were told would be the end of the idustry as i'm sure when we're the "cagy old vets" we will have something to say about the "kids" coming behind us. If anything I find it more of a concern that we(myself included) are spending this much time debating backpacks when NWA is in the processes of busting unions and talking about farming out the the Pilots flying to Champion Air, another ALPA unit. I guess management really is smater than us, they can slide this under the radar by reading this board and see what really matters to us......stickers and backpacks..

Well...someone asked so I replied...

Not sure how an american flag or an ALPA sitcker that says "70 years of safety" is an issue.

Now if you daughter or mine had a sticker that said, 'I toke the rock', I'd be concered. Quit trying to black and white the issue.

As far as NWA, bankruptcy.... as I said, backpacks and stickers is representative of attitude. Most airlines that offer career employment know how to detect "attitude".

With the right attitude we can unify and beat managment at its game. When there are pilots that are distracting by carving out thier own convienences and genre, like backpacks, Bose headsets, "anti establishement" stickers, it it also divisive...

Get the point? We not me.

 

[Velvet Jones]

Morman or Moron?

A few weeks ago I was sitting in a hotel van with my crew while awaiting the arrival of another crew at the airport. I was watching for the other crew to appear when I noticed a young man with his white shirt, black pants and tie wearing a backpack standing on the curb near the van. I mentioned to the others seated with me, "I wonder if the Morman guys are coming along with us."

Shortly thereafter, the "Morman" shifted his backpack straps which revealed to me that he was wearing three stripes on that shoulder. No hat and wearing a backpack! Who knew?!? I was staring a real airline pilot! It also turns out that he was not one of the crew members going to my hotel.


Sure, he may be able to out-fly me six out of the seven days of the week, but I did not get any sense of confidence looking at him. Image isn't everything, but it is a HUGE part. Get in the game.

 

[brewerdog]

I agree, backpacks are for school kids and campers, not pro pilots

 

[hbrow15]

Well...someone asked so I replied...

Not sure how an american flag or an ALPA sitcker that says "70 years of safety" is an issue.

Now if you daughter or mine had a sticker that said, 'I toke the rock', I'd be concered. Quit trying to black and white the issue.

As far as NWA, bankruptcy.... as I said, backpacks and stickers is representative of attitude. Most airlines that offer career employment know how to detect "attitude".

With the right attitude we can unify and beat managment at its game. When there are pilots that are distracting by carving out thier own convienences and genre, like backpacks, Bose headsets, "anti establishement" stickers, it it also divisive...

Get the point? We not me.

you dont see how your stickers is a problem but you said earlier that it was about what your fellow pilot thinks so again if a few had a problem with it would you remove them.
obviously it's not black and white for you but it is for me.. If the company allows it then its personal preference it not then there is no discussion you dont do it. Example my company does not require hats, so I dont wear one in the summer uniform, but as a military guy that was a hard adjustment being in uniform without a cover but it's more comfortable being based in IAH, but when in the winter I always wear a hat. I always thought the short sleeves with a tie looks stupid, we look like an office copier repairman. i never wore short sleeves until I was with the airlines. I think if you wear a tie long sleeves look more professional but my company does not allow long sleeves without the blazer. As it was said before this is just one of these things where we agree to disagree so everyone follow the companies guidelines.

 

[210FR8DOG]

I carry all my food in my backpack for a 4 day trip since I'm still a starving 2nd yr FO. Our 2nd year pay here at TSA is lowest in the industry for a jet operator. Yes, even lower than Mesa. Their's goes to 28 2nd yr. Ours is a whopping 25! Catches up on 3rd yr, though, up to 33 an hr. 5 more months.............!!!

 

[Tank Commander]

Airline passengers look like bus passengers now and act like them to. Air fares look like bus fares. Now airline pilots are looking like bus drivers, but most of them wear their hats…….

 

[darkvw]

I use a backpack to carry my charts and jepps in, hang it on the back of the right seat ( or in front if no one in it) makes it easier to reach during the flight. Ii has a handle on the top tho' so I carry it like a piece of luggage thu the FBO's and airports. In response to the look , I see no problem if it matches the rest of the luggage and looks better than the ones you get for the school kids.