Pdt Future

[Sig]

You are one creative SOB, Sig.

Somehow, I knew you'd get it! What's the news with them bigger smash 8s?

 

[OPECJet]

Film at eleven.

I've had several pilots calling me about things that they've heard out there on the line. One of the things was that PDT management has requested to meet regarding 400 rates. I haven't confirmed this. Going to have to wait until tomorrow before I do that.

I guess its a fact that DP mentioned 300s and 400s for the Express fleet. I didn't hear the webcast, but it's been emailed to me. As soon as I figure out WTF an MP4 file is I'll check it out. My computer doesn't like it so far.

I don't believe he said PDT in particular, but I would imagine we'd get the first offer for turboprop replacements or expansion. I believe there will be one coming across within a week or so. I could be off on the time frame. I'm pretty sure it will be after PSA gets done with the 900 vote. They might want to dangle that carrot as well, but we will not be used to get PSA to take an unfair deal on those airplanes.

This next week could be an interesing one for PDT, or it could be business as usual. I don't know. I kinda think it'll be interesting, but again, I don't know any time frame on the events that will have to be played out if PDT is going to get some new metal.

Any growth that happens here isn't going to happen overnight. It will take a while to get new aircraft on the property and get everyone trained. Gonna have to have some patient with this one.

I've probably said too much already, so I'm gonna shut it now. Call your status reps for more info. Preferrably after midnight.

 

[Terrain Terrain]

Um yea here is a update on the "flow through" direct from the top secret MEC meeting in SBY.

1. The flow through committee has not even met once in the last 360 days.

2. America West MEC does not even know about a flow through.

3. No new EQU was talked about at the "top secret MEC meeting"

4. The only thing that happend was a bunch of jerks that want to get elected to ALPA national came and kissed ass. Let me off the line and pay me more speeches. Yea I think ALPA is gay.

5. SF, JB, and that other fake upgrade guy wasted more time, then the meeting was called short because everyone wanted to catch the last flight outa SBY.

to the minute, thats what happened.

enjoy............

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Film at eleven.

I've had several pilots calling me about things that they've heard out there on the line. One of the things was that PDT management has requested to meet regarding 400 rates. I haven't confirmed this. Going to have to wait until tomorrow before I do that.

I guess its a fact that DP mentioned 300s and 400s for the Express fleet. I didn't hear the webcast, but it's been emailed to me. As soon as I figure out WTF an MP4 file is I'll check it out. My computer doesn't like it so far.

I don't believe he said PDT in particular, but I would imagine we'd get the first offer for turboprop replacements or expansion. I believe there will be one coming across within a week or so. I could be off on the time frame. I'm pretty sure it will be after PSA gets done with the 900 vote. They might want to dangle that carrot as well, but we will not be used to get PSA to take an unfair deal on those airplanes.

This next week could be an interesing one for PDT, or it could be business as usual. I don't know. I kinda think it'll be interesting, but again, I don't know any time frame on the events that will have to be played out if PDT is going to get some new metal.

Any growth that happens here isn't going to happen overnight. It will take a while to get new aircraft on the property and get everyone trained. Gonna have to have some patient with this one.

I've probably said too much already, so I'm gonna shut it now. Call your status reps for more info. Preferrably after midnight.

I heard the same thing... A phone call saying the Q300/Q400 thing was "confirmed." I am reserving judgement until I see it in writing...

...And my a*s is sitting in it holding short of the runway.

 

[OPECJet]

Um yea here is a update on the "flow through" direct from the top secret MEC meeting in SBY.

1. The flow through committee has not even met once in the last 360 days.

2. America West MEC does not even know about a flow through.

3. No new EQU was talked about at the "top secret MEC meeting"

4. The only thing that happend was a bunch of jerks that want to get elected to ALPA national came and kissed ass. Let me off the line and pay me more speeches. Yea I think ALPA is gay.

5. SF, JB, and that other fake upgrade guy wasted more time, then the meeting was called short because everyone wanted to catch the last flight outa SBY.

to the minute, thats what happened.

enjoy............

Top secret meeting? Hardly. The meeting never went to closed session. It was announced in the proper time. There were actually more line pilots present at this MEC meeting than the previous two, which had one pilot in attendance at each meeting. I take it you were not present, otherwise you would know the truth.

1. Utter BS. The Merger Committee meets regularly. The committee has also met with our mainline counterparts within the last year. Totally untrue.

2. Once again. Utter BS. The MEC Vice Chairman was the author of the letter that went out to the AWA MEC Chairman informing him of the flow through. The AWA MEC has been receptive.

3. Any talk of new equipment at the MEC meeting is pointless until the company shows where airframes have been ordered. Until then, it is wasting time.

4. Two candidates for ALPA national positions spoke to the MEC. Do you not think it's important to forge bonds with those who may be overseeing the union in the future?

5. SF, JB, MS, and "the fake upgrade" guy spoke at the last day of the meeting after being invited by the MEC. If the MEC does not have a working relationship and open communications with management, how will things ever have a chance of improving at the company?

The MEC met the first day until 8:30 pm. Normal time for adjourning the meeting would be around 5 or 5:30. The second day, it went until 8. How did they cut time short again? If the required business has been conducted earlier than planned on the last day you think the MEC should sit in the conference room and stare at one another?

Get your facts straight before you post more flame bait. We have enough already.

 

[fowingman]

no to rain on anyones parade. but i find it ohhh so 'rumor-mill' like when there is a q&a session and nothing new has been released or even eluded to. but then there is people that say there is new airplanes int he planning, and there is 400 pay rates being discussed in sby. for crying out loud d.p admitted he knew crap about the express carriers ("the express fleet is fairly new") was his comment, and until corrected about the aging fleet didn't say anything different. and when he did, he didn't say anything other than to say 17 years isn't that old, well i do 100% disagree with him, because he doesn't see it the way i or many other pdt pilots see it, probably not much more will be done with a different fleet. and one other thing what i dont understand is why everyone focuses on pdt mgmt to find out stuff. SBY has no idea what is happening the only control they have is bases, not routes, aircraft or aircrfaft utilization. what they do control besides bases is staffing levels,

so they control staffing levels and bases, wow well we know staffing levels suck majorly!!!!, and bases wow even worse.

 

[dashjockey]

go back to suckin rick&fred's c0cks

Um yea here is a update on the "flow through" direct from the top secret MEC meeting in SBY.

1. The flow through committee has not even met once in the last 360 days.

Kind of hard for a committee that didn't completely exist less than a year ago to have had continual meetings in the past year, but they have met, thanks for playing

2. America West MEC does not even know about a flow through.

and what exactly do you base this astute observation on? nothing like making stuff up when you don't know the facts

3. No new EQU was talked about at the "top secret MEC meeting"

4. The only thing that happend was a bunch of jerks that want to get elected to ALPA national came and kissed ass. Let me off the line and pay me more speeches. Yea I think ALPA is gay.

nothing top secret at all, meeting was published, advertised, etc as for nat'l "jerks" well thats what we have to deal with, suck it up and quit being such a bitch

5. SF, JB, and that other fake upgrade guy wasted more time, then the meeting was called short because everyone wanted to catch the last flight outa SBY.

to the minute, thats what happened.

enjoy............

maybe if sby wasn't such a nasty smellin hicksville suckhole people wouldn't be so eager to get out of there

 

[Sig]

maybe if sby wasn't such a nasty smellin hicksville suckhole people wouldn't be so eager to get out of there

Please keep doing me a favor and make sure the world knows anyone who is based in SBY and lives near there hates it.

While you do that, I'll finally decide where I'll be on booze and hooter patrol today- on the beach? at the pool? The beach is almost 300* yards away, but the pool looks a little crowded.

Gosh, this sucks!

*Went out on the upper deck and eyeballed the distance. Looks more like 200. And I decided on the pool today. What suckage.

 

[nedflembag]

So what is the deal with the flowthrough anyway? Im hearing our guys are partly at fault for dragging their heels and that we have some on the MEC that don't really want it at all. Including the commitee chair. Anyone else?

 

[OPECJet]

So what is the deal with the flowthrough anyway? Im hearing our guys are partly at fault for dragging their heels and that we have some on the MEC that don't really want it at all. Including the commitee chair. Anyone else?

Please tell me you're joking.... I'll get beaten for this, but I'll list how many years each MEC member has before hitting 60, and let you invent a way why any member wouldn't be in favor of a flow through.

28 CA Rep: 2 yrs
28 FO Rep: 29 yrs
29 CA: 21
29 FO: 31
35 CA: 9
35 FO: 29
78 CA: 27
78 FO: 23
95 CA: 15
95 FO: 15
Merger Chairman: 15

Those are the voting members of the MEC along with the committee chairman. All except 2 have the potential of seeing a 10 year career at mainline with a flow through. Only one is even remotely close to retirement.

Tell me again why any of the members wouldn't be in favor of having a deal signed? That is a deal that didn't require a sell out of the junior guys now at PDT.

Invent away my friend, and welcome to flightinfo seeing it's your first post.

 

[dashjockey]

Please keep doing me a favor and make sure the world knows anyone who is based in SBY and lives near there hates it.

While you do that, I'll finally decide where I'll be on booze and hooter patrol today- on the beach? at the pool? The beach is almost 300* yards away, but the pool looks a little crowded.

Gosh, this sucks!

*Went out on the upper deck and eyeballed the distance. Looks more like 200. And I decided on the pool today. What suckage.

yeah cause sby has the market cornered on beachs and pools with females , and i was speaking of people coming into town, not the yocals that live there

 

[dashjockey]

must be a full moon.....

So what is the deal with the flowthrough anyway? Im hearing our guys are partly at fault for dragging their heels and that we have some on the MEC that don't really want it at all. Including the commitee chair. Anyone else?

you must be affiliated with AAA's mec then because thats only the kind of delusion capable by one of their ilk
i know that chairman, and he does not feel that way
go play someplace else putz

 

[nedflembag]

Ok let me rephrase for all of you then and see if I just might get a coherent response that either dosn't quote the obvious or just call people names (thats just mean)

What is going on with the flowthrough?

I have heard that in its current stage things are not looking so good and people on the MEC are not for it because of that. ie not wanting to use so called negotiating capital because they do not like what they are being offered. So in trying to make the ever lasting decision of should I stay or should I go, I would like to hear what other people are hearing. Two months ago all we heard was this is a done deal. Now it I don't know what to think as it seems very little progress is being made. Thank you

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Talked to a MEC member today about the Q400 rumor. He said we are not currently in negotiations regarding the airplanes, only that Parker seems to be interested. If it is a possibility, we are very very early in the process.

 

[OPECJet]

Ok let me rephrase for all of you then and see if I just might get a coherent response that either dosn't quote the obvious or just call people names (thats just mean)

What is going on with the flowthrough?

I have heard that in its current stage things are not looking so good and people on the MEC are not for it because of that. ie not wanting to use so called negotiating capital because they do not like what they are being offered. So in trying to make the ever lasting decision of should I stay or should I go, I would like to hear what other people are hearing. Two months ago all we heard was this is a done deal. Now it I don't know what to think as it seems very little progress is being made. Thank you

You got a coherent response. I'll give you another, phrase it differently, and add some comentary that might help point you as to where things are going. Or at least try to.

The problem being faced is that the mainline negotiating committee doesn't appear to want to talk. Things are changing a bit on their side, and their could be talks in the near future.

As far as the MEC not wanting a flow through (or some of the members), the MEC wants a flow through. What the MEC does not want is a flush through. They don't want to put PDT pilots on the street.

In other words, there can be no selling the farm to buy a horse. If this doesn't help, you should call your status rep.

 

[dashjockey]

Ok let me rephrase for all of you then and see if I just might get a coherent response that either dosn't quote the obvious or just call people names (thats just mean)

What is going on with the flowthrough?

I have heard that in its current stage things are not looking so good and people on the MEC are not for it because of that. ie not wanting to use so called negotiating capital because they do not like what they are being offered. So in trying to make the ever lasting decision of should I stay or should I go, I would like to hear what other people are hearing. Two months ago all we heard was this is a done deal. Now it I don't know what to think as it seems very little progress is being made. Thank you

just out of curiosity, what 'negotiating capital' is being wasted?

fyi, theres plenty of 'hear-say' in this company, and 99% of it is complete and utter crap particularly on the southern side...

 

[OPECJet]

fyi, theres plenty of 'hear-say' in this company, and 99% of it is complete and utter crap particularly on the southern side...

You got something against us rednecks?

 

[JohnnyP]

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just out of curiosity, what 'negotiating capital' is being wasted?

fyi, theres plenty of 'hear-say' in this company, and 99% of it is complete and utter crap particularly on the southern side...

And the northern end of things would be??..........."Leveling six thousand".......huh?....what?.......remember to keep those standbys in norm boys, this aint ALG.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Yeah, but only lately. I've got way too much time on my hands this summer. But that will change soon and my time spent here will go back to nearly none at all.

For now, though, it's sure nice to spend this time with y'all.

Oh, and I took Captain off my info there, so as not rile up your tiller envy

It's funny you keep calling me Captain, because you've never met anyone who cares less what seat he sits in; I'm just tryin' to make a living.

At who's expense?? And no tiller envy here... 320's have em on both sides...remember??

PHXFLYR

 

[BeCareful!]

And no tiller envy here... 320's have em on both sides...remember??

PHXFLYR

Wow, you get to taxi from the right seat in the West? Or does just having the tiller there comfort you?