Our "Team" leader out to lunch

[doh]

Skanza, did your negotiators survey the pilot group before they started negotiations? If they did not, then meeting with management seperately is a good idea. If however, they did survey the pilot group prior to negotiations (and I strongly suspect they did), then meeting with management seperate from negotiations is the worst idea! Your negotiating team has access to propriatary information that they may not legally divulge to you. Management has made them sign a legally binding agreement not to divulge this information. Discussing your contract without that information puts you and the pilot group as a whole at a severe disadvantage. Management will only exploit your lack of knowledge. Management is well aware of what your group expects. Your negotiating team has made your expectations crystal clear. What this manager is attempting to do is cause a rift between pilots. He is hoping to cause chaos so that the pilots as a group will lose faith in their representatives. If that happens, the pilot group is much more likely to ratify a substandard pwa (pilot working agreement) because they no longer trust their negotiating team to produce an acceptable result. Like I said, a very bad idea to meet outside of negotiations. By the way, I'm not a huge fan of unions myself. But once you have one, don't be obstructionist. After all, the majority has ruled.

 

[sky4]

Dfw

I think everyone at FLOPS knows Jody's position at this company as a ground inst. for FLOPS at Simuflt and a line pilot. I for one know Jody backs the union 100% and wants nothing but the best for us, so lets give her a little slack on this, I bet she had her hands tied. The other one or two I can not speak for.

BTW, There was no reason to post names here, we don't need to turn anyone away.

Sky

 

[dime line]

I think everyone at FLOPS knows Jody's position at this company as a ground inst. for FLOPS at Simuflt and a line pilot. I for one know

Jody backs the union 100%

and wants nothing but the best for us, so lets give her a little slack on this, I bet she had her hands tied. The other one or two I can not speak for.

BTW, There was no reason to post names here, we don't need to turn anyone away.

Sky

Your kidding right?

 

[Hobbes]

CG's attendance could have just been a faux pas...

Oh, I just couldn't resist that.

 

[jetwash]

I do know that the other pilot TP attends the meetings in DAL all the time. Even thought he is signed up on the union board his heart is not into it. He still works OT. As a matter of fact he was exposed on this site a few months ago when someone posted the names and then got bent out of shape.

He has probably only a year or two until he retires and could care less for the other pilots who will be here after he goes. So I could care less if his feelings are hurt because everyone know what type of person he is.

 

[nomore]

Message from Nomore

I was going to let everyone know who CG was since I didn't mention it in my earlier post but then I thought shoot everyone knows it's Carlos. So I changed my mind.



N

 

[1folinepilot]

The sad truth is that Michael flew back to CGF to brag and gloat to his underlings and his new bosses at HIG that his meeting in Dallas was an overwhelming success. It seems that all that attended gave him a 100% approval rating, supported his go-forward plan and see him as a true visionary to continue to lead Options into the future!

Think about it! How is it any different than any other "metric" that he reports?

THE IBT1108 SPEAKS FOR ME!

 

[flydog1]

I think everyone at FLOPS knows Jody's position at this company as a ground inst. for FLOPS at Simuflt and a line pilot. I for one know Jody backs the union 100% and wants nothing but the best for us, so lets give her a little slack on this, I bet she had her hands tied. The other one or two I can not speak for.

BTW, There was no reason to post names here, we don't need to turn anyone away.

Sky

I would have to agree Sky on this one and no need to post names..I was going to say something but glad someone else spoke up before I got to this thread. I know first had that if I had to go to the aiport and pick MS up to goto the homewood suites, I would feel pretty obligated to going to the meeting. Especially if you had to take him back! Even though I'm sure His info is nothing new we need to hear.
Its great to hear that everyone was in the lobby during his meeting But we all have a job to do....our job? To get the industry standard contract that we deserve.

 

[Helmsalee]

Maybe if the union gets a decent contract here, this may be the next Netjets. And those who are in the pipeline will be glad they got in ahead of the rush. A few years ago NJ was not considered a great place to be, but things have changed.

 

[Whoosh!]

Maybe if the union gets a decent contract here, this may be the next Netjets. And those who are in the pipeline will be glad they got in ahead of the rush. A few years ago NJ was not considered a great place to be, but things have changed.

Forgive me but, this seems kind of nieve. FLOPS is so far behind the rest of the industry it's stupid. Four fractional companies are out there- FLOPS only has 12% of the market now, hasn't made any effort to keep up with pilot compensation in the rest of the industry, continues to lose pilots at an alarming rate, etc. A pilot contract would help but the culture created by the arrogant/egotistical/unethical management is really the problem. The dynamic at NetJets was pretty different during their struggle- different ownership, financial situation, market conditions, etc. NetJets made in excess of $300M last year. Raytheon pretty much gave FLOPS to HIG for pennies. Would probably take a miracle at this point to turn Options around.

Unfortunately, most of the hope amongst the pilot group that things will get better roots back to days when we were growing, buying airplanes, hiring like crazy, had the best pay in the industry, etc.- glamour. It's slowly but steadily come down from there and gotten worse while the other companies have continued to grow. Hard for most of us to believe this happened (which has led to much of the mistrust of what mgmt says) but if you told any one of us 6 years ago that this is what the company would have looked like now, we would have certainly bailed. It's hard to accept the loss after all this time and it's happened slowly so most guys just continue to hang on hoping....

 

[B19 Flyer]

Hard for most of us to believe this happened (which has led to much of the mistrust of what mgmt says) but if you told any one of us 6 years ago that this is what the company would have looked like now, we would have certainly bailed. It's hard to accept the loss after all this time and it's happened slowly so most guys just continue to hang on hoping....

It's only a coincidence that the union began organizing 6 years ago.

 

[Whoosh!]

That's a pretty pathetic response Bob. They got to be paying you better than that.

 

[AeroBoy]

It's only a coincidence that the union began organizing 6 years ago.

The union was being organized at Raytheon Travel Air before the merger with Flight Options. Ricci promised the RTA pilots that he would walk on water for them and defeated the union drive. Ricci had a hard time upholding his promises because pilot integration was tougher than he expected, and the merger mess led to his untimely departure. Then Raytheon started installing stupid CEOs who knew nothing about fractionals and degraded pilot pay and benefits, causing the union drive to gain momentum. But of course it's the pilot/union's fault that the company is going downhill, right Bob/B19?

 

[TurboHonda]

The union was being organized at Raytheon Travel Air before the merger with Flight Options. Ricci promised the RTA pilots that he would walk on water for them and defeated the union drive. Ricci had a hard time upholding his promises because pilot integration was tougher than he expected, and the merger mess led to his untimely departure. Then Raytheon started installing stupid CEOs who knew nothing about fractionals and degraded pilot pay and benefits, causing the union drive to gain momentum. But of course it's the pilot/union's fault that the company is going downhill, right Bob/B19?

It was more than just a drive. It actually was in the voting stage. The vote was a narrow defeat for the union, because of the charismatic Mr. Ricci. Had the vote gone the other way, it is doubtful that the merger would have happened at all.

One can only guess where the two company's would be today. One thing's for sure: B19 would not exist.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Another moron team leader

Well we had another moron "team" leader try and hold an impromptu management propaganda meeting in DFW this week and the response was another embarrassment to them.

Timmy Montie dropped in on the 135 recurrent class just before lunch break to answer questions if anyone had any. No one in the class stayed to see what Montie had to say, not a single pilot. :beer:

I think management may finally be getting the word that this pilot group does not give a crap about the BS management feeds the rest of the company. like the old saying says you know when management is lying when their lips are moving.