Official: All on Cactus callsign effective 9/1/08

[Long Time Gone]

Redwood... a major?? NO

Exactly. The only funny thing about that call sign is that it's VIRGIN calling itself REDWOOD. I'm positive no one thought about it in depth before they applied for the callsign.

 

[eaglesview]

That's right. "Eagles-Poo" seems to have forgotten about the recently enacted legislation calling for binding arbitration when 2 different "unions" represent the same class and craft of employee.


PHXFLYR

There is no merger coming, it was just to tempting to push the dudes buttons.

 

[doh]

Exactly. The only funny thing about that call sign is that it's VIRGIN calling itself REDWOOD. I'm positive no one thought about it in depth before they applied for the callsign.

Best post on the whole thread!:beer:

 

[get2flyin]

There is no merger coming, it was just to tempting to push the dudes buttons.

Don't bet your retirement on it.

 

[eaglesview]

Don't bet your retirement on it.

What retirement??

 

[eaglesview]

Exactly. The only funny thing about that call sign is that it's VIRGIN calling itself REDWOOD. I'm positive no one thought about it in depth before they applied for the callsign.

Classic!!

 

[Turtle21]

Binding arbitration.

I think the new call sign should be "WEBA".. abbreviation for Westoffs, Eastholes, and Binding Arbitration. It sorta invokes thoughts of FUBAR. :beer:


No, actually I am going to enjoy getting to use the Cactus call sign.

 

[rajflyboy]

Cactus = Craphole airport called "Sky Harbor"

Worst Gate Agents and Airport Set Up in the Entire Country. That place brings down USAIR more than it Helps USAIR.

 

[PHXFLYR]

There is no merger coming, it was just to tempting to push the dudes buttons.

Why ???


PHXFLYR

 

[Captzaahlie]

What matters is life and family and last week I lost my best Friend and Father in an auto accident. So you see all of you BABIES out in the west and east can just GO and GET OVER IT.

Sorry for your loss boomer.......

 

[Captzaahlie]

You are an idiot.

Instead of just sticking with US Airways, now you go and insult a bunch of other professionals who have no dog in this fight. The US Airways 'system' as you call it is loaded with other companies... Piedmont, PSA, Air Wisconsin... Hell, there are even a bunch of Colgan guys that I would consider to be class acts (Thanks for the rides, guys). You may not like the fact that these companies don't have shiny new metal or the way they do business, but that is no reason whatsoever to go and lump those pilots in with the Hatfields and McCoys at US Airways.

Do me a favor, if you ever board a Piedmont dash looking for a ride, please identify yourself as the writer of your moronic post. I want to see what a real "class act" you are yourself.

nugget makes lots of idiotic remarks..... just expect it.

 

[f15boomer]

Sorry for your loss boomer.......

Thanks, That means alot to me

 

[cactusboy53]

A major US airline who uses a diffrent call sign than that painted on the side of airplane??? That's funny.

I know you mentioned "major US airline", but......

DYNASTY.............China Airlines
SHAMROCK...........Air Lingus
SPEEDBIRD...........British Airways

Here's a list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A698231

Call sign? A big deal?? I would have preferred more money, time off, more per diem, and one pilot list as arbitrated. Oh well, C2004 is adequate for now. If gas keeps going down and consumer confidence grows....perhaps the furloughs may not materialize.

 

[cactusboy53]

What matters is life and family and last week I lost my best Friend and Father in an auto accident. So you see all of you BABIES out in the west and east can just GO and GET OVER IT.

Amen to that Boomer! I just lost my MC Riding buddy / Brother-in-Law in an "incident" on July 28th to a 30 year old 2x DUI w/ a suspended license. I have no doubt that Mike is in God's house at this very minute waiting for his family to join him sometime in the future, but it still doesn't take away the sting.

1. Tell your family members and friends what they mean to you and that you love them.
2. Send them a post card from the road from time to time as a reminder.
3. Take LOTS of pictures. The occasion that you are waiting for to do family pictures or pictures with friends may never come.
4. Have fun at work & w/ your co-workers (but not at their expense).
5. Repeat steps 1-4 often!!

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Cactus = Craphole airport called "Sky Harbor"

Worst Gate Agents and Airport Set Up in the Entire Country. That place brings down USAIR more than it Helps USAIR.

Our Gate Agents can't stand you.

 

[vetrider]

Follow the black top cactus, ha ha ha ha ha. Can't wait to here that one.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

How anyone at AWA can say that they rightfully have more seniority than most USAir pilots just baffles me.

No one here said that we should have "more" seniority than you. What we said is that we shouldn't lose our seniority so your 50 year old FOs can get back into the left seat...at our expense.

I get the impression that you don't understand the difference between Longevity and Seniority so let me explain it to you. Longevity is how long you've been at your company. Seniority is your bidding position on the list of currently employed pilots. Seniority is completely independent of Longevity. The reward of Seniority is bidding power while the reward of Longevity is pay rates, vacation accrual, etc...

Let's look at a senario. If XYZ Airlines starts up and hires 1000 pilots today they will probably award seniority based on age (or the last 4 of your SSN). Now we have pilots #1-1000. Each on of those 1000 pilots has the same exact longevity but totally different seniority.

Now let's say that XYZ airlines doesn't hire again for 20 years. Then they hire 1000 more pilots. Now pilot #1000 is 1 number senior to pilot #1001...not 20 years senior. Pilot #1 has been there 5 years longer than both pilots #1001 and #2000. He is not 5 years senior to #2000. He is 1999 numbers senior.

Do you see how equating seniority to years of service doesn't make sense?

At US Airways, for example, your most junior pilot, at the time of the merger, had 18 years of longevity. His pay rate, vacation accrual, etc... reflected his longevity. He did not have 18 years of seniority. In fact, he had ZERO seniority. How could he have any seniority? He was at the bottom of the list. The fact that the bottom pilot may have once been a captain means absolutely nothing. He is the bottom pilot.

What we AWA pilots wanted, and what the NMB panel decided, was to integrate based on where you stood at the time the merger was announced. If you were at the top of one list you merged at the top of the new list. If you were in the middle you merged in at the middle. If you were at the bottom you merged in at the bottom. This is completely fair. (The #1 AWA pilot merged in 500 numbers down the list, BTW)


I'm glad I could clear this up for you. If there's anything else you need explained to you, like how babies are made, I'll be glad to let you know.


You may not like the fact that some of our 30 year old pilots had relatively more seniority than some of your 50 year old "veterans" but our 30 year old pilots shouldn't lose their seniority so that your junior FOs can relive the glory days of being in the left seat.

Here we go again. We never said it Nic said it. We tried to negotiate. You guys would not have it. So, now we have the Nic.

I don't know. I do know that the AAA guys would not budge on DOH.

 

[waveflyer]

hmm... let's summarize.
1-'cactus' came about b/c "america-west" kept getting confused w/ "american" who was in the game first- the FAA made em change it.
2-it should be changed to a brand new call-sign-- "heritage" "legacy" "drama-queen"- Not doing that proves my earlier point that dougie WANTS this fued.
3- longevity has never related to seniority. they are two completely different concepts- this merger highlights that fact.

 

[rajflyboy]

Our Gate Agents can't stand you.

I'm not an East guy. I have just observed this the last couple of years when I get stuck airlining through PHX. Never On Time. Never Friendly Service. I'm not impressed.

 

[cactusboy53]

I'm not an East guy. I have just observed this the last couple of years when I get stuck airlining through PHX. Never On Time. Never Friendly Service. I'm not impressed.

Dude;
You just haven't had the good luck to by on one of my flights. 98% on time or early!! Maybe it's the luck of the draw? AWA gate agents (save a couple sour grapes here & there) are the best (unless you come up to the counter w/ a pissy attitude).

Frankly, I don't know how CSR's & FA's keep a good disposition for all of the crap they periodically get. Easily the lowest paid & least appreciated professionals in this industry. Thank you all.