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[Ty Webb]

The OWS movement is a way to mainstream socialism and communism. If you can't see that, then you are destined to it. Let's look at the income disparity in the communist and socialist contries and see how thats working out. China and Venezuela have some of the worst income disparities in the world and some of the worst suffering the world has to offer (other than a Sheria). In this country "deserve" has nothing to do with it, you get what you work for or you starve. I am happy to help those who are willing to help themselves, but I'll be damned if I'll give a penny to those who think they can help themselves to my stuff. This country is about providence, self-reliance, and grace. If you don't agree, there are plenty of other countries you can occupy that agree with you. Sad to see people like Ty are going to occupy my company.

Sorry, but you've been handed the wrong set of "talking points". :laugh:

The current situation is a result of NAFTA and other failed policies crafted by a class of professional Legislators and Lobbyists, on behalf of corporations, and at the expense of hard-working Americans.

Hal, your situation is a prime example of what I am talking about. It's not that you don't want to work, or are lazy, or aren't trying . . . . it's that the jobs are no longer here, but the dividends and bonuses are.

Seems to me, the Tea Party and the Occupy groups are both saying the same thing . . . . they're mad that our political system is broken, our politicians are bought and paid for, and they're fed up.

The press demonized the Tea Party as racists, and the Occupiers as Communists and Anarchists, while the majority are neither.

 

[Ty Webb]

Its good though, that you feel you were once part of the upper class. Thats what they would like you to think. That youre reaping and enjoying the same benefits as them. That the system "works" for you. They've got you deluded.

Yup. Anyone who has seen how the true upper-class live would snort with laughter at the thought of a guy making $250-$300K as "upper class". That wouldn't even pay the fuel bill for a few months.

 

[bluebound]

Ty,
You won't see me on Maury, Facebook, or Twitter complaning about my problems. You'll see me helping my family, my church, and my community. But if someone tries to take something from me, I will cut your hand off, because I earned everything I have.
This is about Socialism and Communism versus freedom. That's what it always been about, century after century. This is the same old battle repeating itself, none of these arguments are original. The only thing you can do is educate yourself, prepare yourself, and pray. In the end the truth will stand.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,
You won't see me on Maury, Facebook, or Twitter complaning about my problems. You'll see me helping my family, my church, and my community. But if someone tries to take something from me, I will cut your hand off, because I earned everything I have.
This is about Socialism and Communism versus freedom. That's what it always been about, century after century. This is the same old battle repeating itself, none of these arguments are original. The only thing you can do is educate yourself, prepare yourself, and pray. In the end the truth will stand.

Hmmm . . . We must have went to different schools, because from what I remember, Socialism has only been around since the mid Nineteenth century, and Communism since the Twentieth (ever hear of Marx, Engels, or Lenin?).

For most of written history, men have worked the land for the nobility (serfdom) or been forced into the king's army to battle another king for more wealth . . . not battling against the Socialists or Communists.

No one is trying to take anything from you, Chief. I pay way more than my fair share in taxes, and I'm not happy about it, either, but I put the blame where it belongs . . . . and it isn't on our fellow citizens.

 

[landlover]

I don't begrudge the Upper Class. I was one of them once.

you made over 500k a year as a pilot? or were you in a different field?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

you made over 500k a year as a pilot? or were you in a different field?

Not even close. Upper class doesn't even need to work. 500K might make you upper middle class. Even a few million a year doesnt qualify. The guys flying around in their own family jets are upper class. If you can get fired, you probably arent upper class, yet. Aside from astronomical wealth, it's also a social lifestyle practically everyone on this board couldn't even fathom.

 

[say again]

• Upper class, (ca. 1%-5%) individuals with considerable power over the nation's economic and political institutions. This group owns a disproportionate share of the nation's resources. The top 1% had incomes exceeding $250,000 with the top 5% having household incomes exceeding $140,000. This group features strong group solidarity and is largely constituted by the heirs to multi-generational fortunes. Prominent government officials, CEOs and successful entrepreneurs are among the upper class even if not of elite background.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class#cite_note-Society_in_Focus-9
• Upper middle class, (ca. 15%) white collar professionals with advanced post-secondary education such as physicians, professors, lawyers, corporate executives, and other management. While households commonly have six figure incomes in this group, the majority of income earners do not. Only 6% of persons had six figure incomes while 15% were upper middle class. While highhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States educational attainment commonly serves as the staple mark of this group, entrepreneurs and business owners may also be upper middle class even if lacking advanced educational attainment.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class#cite_note-Society_in_Focus-9
• Lower middle class, (ca. 33%) individuals who worked their way through college and commonly have a Bachelor's degree or some college education. School teachers, sales-employees and lower to mid level supervisors rank among those in this particular group. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_StatesHousehold income is generally in the range of $30,000 to $75,000. Workers in this group are mostly white collar but have less autonomy in their work than do upper middle class professionals. Members of this class often attempt to emulate those in the two higher classes and have recently become overly indebted by their desire to have a comfortable lifestyle.
• Working class, (ca. 30%) individuals who occupy both blue and white collar occupations. Pink collar workers in predominantly female clerical positions are common in this class. Job security tends to be low for this group and unemployment as well as losing health insurance remain potent economic threats. Household incomes typically range from $16,000 to $30,000.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class#cite_note-Society_in_Focus-9
• Lower class, repeated cycles of unemployment, working multiple low-level part-time jobs are common among this group. Many families fall below the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_Statespoverty line from time to time when employment opportunities are scarce.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class#cite_note-Society_in_Focus-9

 

[Ty Webb]

• Upper class, (ca. 1%-5%) individuals with considerable power over the nation's economic and political institutions. This group owns a disproportionate share of the nation's resources. The top 1% had incomes exceeding $250,000 with the top 5% having household incomes exceeding $140,000. This group features strong group solidarity and is largely constituted by the heirs to multi-generational fortunes. Prominent government officials, CEOs and successful entrepreneurs are among the upper class even if not of elite background.
• Upper middle class, (ca. 15%) white collar professionals with advanced post-secondary education such as physicians, professors, lawyers, corporate executives, and other management. While households commonly have six figure incomes in this group, the majority of income earners do not. Only 6% of persons had six figure incomes while 15% were upper middle class. While high educational attainment commonly serves as the staple mark of this group, entrepreneurs and business owners may also be upper middle class even if lacking advanced educational attainment.
• Lower middle class, (ca. 33%) individuals who worked their way through college and commonly have a Bachelor's degree or some college education. School teachers, sales-employees and lower to mid level supervisors rank among those in this particular group. Household income is generally in the range of $30,000 to $75,000. Workers in this group are mostly white collar but have less autonomy in their work than do upper middle class professionals. Members of this class often attempt to emulate those in the two higher classes and have recently become overly indebted by their desire to have a comfortable lifestyle.
• Working class, (ca. 30%) individuals who occupy both blue and white collar occupations. Pink collar workers in predominantly female clerical positions are common in this class. Job security tends to be low for this group and unemployment as well as losing health insurance remain potent economic threats. Household incomes typically range from $16,000 to $30,000.
• Lower class, repeated cycles of unemployment, working multiple low-level part-time jobs are common among this group. Many families fall below the poverty line from time to time when employment opportunities are scarce.

That's some old info you got there, brutha.

If you look at the 2010 Census data, $200K doesn't get you into the top 1%, hell, it barely gets you into the top 4%. :erm:

$200,000 will get you into the "Upper Middle Class", but not "Upper Class" which is something entirely different.

Kind of like the difference between flying coach to get on a Carnival cruise ship, or taking your private jet to get to your private yacht. imp:

 

[HalinTexas]

You're brian-washed, dude. Same for Flyin. I also dont think you know what "upper class" (as you refer your self) remotely means.

You're a true pawn of the system and seem to be more than happy to accept your beatings as necessary and natural. Both of you live deep within a "false consciousness."

Corporations and banks have ruined this country.

Really, well thank you for enlightening me.

 

[say again]

William Thompson and Joseph Hickey, 2005. Granted it is a little older, gets the point across. These are based on individual incomes, not combined household. The poverty line for a single person household is $10,890, lower than the $16000. Now if you throw in household members, then yes, they fall below. I believe if you need gov't assistance, then you fall into the lower-class. If I come up with more up-to-date figures, I'll post them.

 

[HalinTexas]

• Upper class, (ca. 1%-5%) individuals with considerable power over the nation's economic and political institutions. This group owns a disproportionate share of the nation's resources. The top 1% had incomes exceeding $250,000 with the top 5% having household incomes exceeding $140,000. This group features strong group solidarity and is largely constituted by the heirs to multi-generational fortunes. Prominent government officials, CEOs and successful entrepreneurs are among the upper class even if not of elite background.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class#cite_note-Society_in_Focus-9
• Upper middle class, (ca. 15%) white collar professionals with advanced post-secondary education such as physicians, professors, lawyers, corporate executives, and other management. While households commonly have six figure incomes in this group, the majority of income earners do not. Only 6% of persons had six figure incomes while 15% were upper middle class. While highhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States educational attainment commonly serves as the staple mark of this group, entrepreneurs and business owners may also be upper middle class even if lacking advanced educational attainment.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class#cite_note-Society_in_Focus-9
• Lower middle class, (ca. 33%) individuals who worked their way through college and commonly have a Bachelor's degree or some college education. School teachers, sales-employees and lower to mid level supervisors rank among those in this particular group. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_StatesHousehold income is generally in the range of $30,000 to $75,000. Workers in this group are mostly white collar but have less autonomy in their work than do upper middle class professionals. Members of this class often attempt to emulate those in the two higher classes and have recently become overly indebted by their desire to have a comfortable lifestyle.
• Working class, (ca. 30%) individuals who occupy both blue and white collar occupations. Pink collar workers in predominantly female clerical positions are common in this class. Job security tends to be low for this group and unemployment as well as losing health insurance remain potent economic threats. Household incomes typically range from $16,000 to $30,000.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class#cite_note-Society_in_Focus-9
• Lower class, repeated cycles of unemployment, working multiple low-level part-time jobs are common among this group. Many families fall below the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_Statespoverty line from time to time when employment opportunities are scarce.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class#cite_note-Society_in_Focus-9

Source?

 

[HalinTexas]

There are lots of definitions of "upper class." By a few of them, pilots fit that definition, or at least used to.

Start here. There are footnotes. Social Classes

 

[The Prussian]

• Upper class, (ca. 1%-5%) individuals with considerable power over the nation's economic and political institutions. This group owns a disproportionate share of the nation's resources. The top 1% had incomes exceeding $250,000 with the top 5% having household incomes exceeding $140,000. This group features strong group solidarity and is largely constituted by the heirs to multi-generational fortunes. Prominent government officials, CEOs and successful entrepreneurs are among the upper class even if not of elite background.
• Upper middle class, (ca. 15%) white collar professionals with advanced post-secondary education such as physicians, professors, lawyers, corporate executives, and other management. While households commonly have six figure incomes in this group, the majority of income earners do not. Only 6% of persons had six figure incomes while 15% were upper middle class. While high educational attainment commonly serves as the staple mark of this group, entrepreneurs and business owners may also be upper middle class even if lacking advanced educational attainment.
• Lower middle class, (ca. 33%) individuals who worked their way through college and commonly have a Bachelor's degree or some college education. School teachers, sales-employees and lower to mid level supervisors rank among those in this particular group. Household income is generally in the range of $30,000 to $75,000. Workers in this group are mostly white collar but have less autonomy in their work than do upper middle class professionals. Members of this class often attempt to emulate those in the two higher classes and have recently become overly indebted by their desire to have a comfortable lifestyle.
• Working class, (ca. 30%) individuals who occupy both blue and white collar occupations. Pink collar workers in predominantly female clerical positions are common in this class. Job security tends to be low for this group and unemployment as well as losing health insurance remain potent economic threats. Household incomes typically range from $16,000 to $30,000.
• Lower class, repeated cycles of unemployment, working multiple low-level part-time jobs are common among this group. Many families fall below the poverty line from time to time when employment opportunities are scarce.

Are these figures per household earner, or are these dual-income/combined husband/wife figures?

 

[say again]

Are these figures per household earner, or are these dual income combined husband/wife figures?

Based on individual incomes, not combined household.

 

[HalinTexas]

you made over 500k a year as a pilot? or were you in a different field?

I've read definitions in the past that used the SS tax limit, which used to be about $77K to be the upper class. I used the 10% wage earners, which I've seen as anyone about approx. $120. I fit both those categories at one time.