NWA flow back into compass.

[WSurf]

Uh oh, WSurf, Piedmont's better be careful. Based on your theory, they may have to furlough by summer. If you're senior enough you'll be ok in the Dash, turboprops are good. Just goes to show you, do enough research and you can find someone to support any "theory". NOBODY knows until it happens, you idiot![/COLOR]

Yep, there you go! Piedmont's gonna start parking Turbo Props. Heheheheheh

 

[MJ42]

I have a dog in this fight. I am going to class at Compass next week. bad time to get back into the industry. As for the DC-9's going away who knows but it is a lot cheaper to park a paid-for aircraft than to park an aircraft you are making payments on. Right now the name of the game is not to keeping the most efficient aircraft flying but to reduce capacity to the point that the demand is high enough to raise fares. If Northwest has enough demand they will keep the -9's flying if they don't they will be parked very quickly. United Airlines has already said that they have a 100 planes paid for that they can park if fuel goes over $100/bbl.
The regional feed will also be cut. First, by schedule reductions, then by number of aircraft contracted. Most airlines can cancel a regional's contract without cause if they give 6 months notice. Sooner with cause. I was bumped out of the DoJet by Delta this way.

I have no idea how what amount of aircraft would have to be cut to cause NWA furloughs and flow backs. NWA could just stop hiring and let attrition tke care of the rest rather than pay for a system realignment bump and flush. I am very concerned about flowbacks. For the short term however, the system realignments caused by furloughs would take longer than the need for pilots at Compass to staff the 2 A/C that are arriving per month. Of course they could stop taking A/C.

If anyone knows the ratio of NWA mainline A/C to 76 seat A/C that are allowed. could they post it?

First off, good luck with Compass. I think you should be ok. But as I said many times on this thread, no one knows for sure. I've been furloughed after 9/11 so I understand your concern.

Don't know the ratio of mainline to 76 seat aircraft, I'll see what I can dig up. I can tell you Compass pilots have the support of mainline pilot, we want the flow up to work. Hopefully it will.

More info for ya WSurf:


http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/aircares/EarthCares.pdf

It actually busts ( a little) on the 9. Just proves my point that NWA is planning for the "phasing out".

 

[MJ42]

Yep, there you go! Piedmont's gonna start parking Turbo Props. Heheheheheh

I said you'd be safe cause you're in a turboprop, jerk. But..."It's just more cost-effective to run a larger plane."

You're also tied to a company that has MAJOR pilot issues. Using your theory, you should be worried.

 

[WSurf]

You mean theres a major that doesn't have major pilot issues????????? heheheh

 

[MJ42]

You mean theres a major that doesn't have major pilot issues????????? heheheh

Everyone has their problems, but I assure you the venom between the East and West at Airways is a Major problem.

 

[WSurf]

Everyone has their problems, but I assure you the venom between the East and West at Airways is a Major problem.

Let me see, about 99.999999 Percent of all Airline mergers do infact cause problems between the pilot groups. Merging two airlines will always cause some sort of rift between the two pilot groups. Thats the way it is and will always be.

 

[DoinTime]

Everyone has their problems, but I assure you the venom between the East and West at Airways is a Major problem.

Its almost like Northwest/Republic all over again. 20+ years later there are still pilots bitter over that deal.

 

[CFIfornow]

If anyone knows the ratio of NWA mainline A/C to 76 seat A/C that are allowed. could they post it?

NWA can have a total of 90 51-76 seat RJs to start with. 72 are accounted for at this point. 36 to Compass and 36 to Mesaba. Once a baseline of narrow body aircraft at mainline is set (I don't know when that is, maybe a year out of bankruptcy?) NWA can increase the number of 51-76 seat RJ's on a ratio basis (again I don't know what the ratio is) by adding more narrow bodies to the mainline fleet.

 

[Terry Hunter]

... Once a baseline of narrow body aircraft at mainline is set (I don't know when that is, maybe a year out of bankruptcy?) ...

Correct to how I understand it too, and that date would be May 31st, 2008 (one year from "A new day" for all the insiders ) and that is why nwa is trying to park as many as possible before that date, so they can start adding back to the narrowbody fleet. Hmmmm, imagine that - a rumor about narrowbody expansion.

Granted, NWA's goal is to merge, but their 2nd goal is to expand in the international market while keeping domestic flat (note: flat doesn't mean reductions).

 

[WSurf]

Northwest to shrink and get rid of more DC9's than planned?
Dave Davis, Northwest's chief financial officer, said at a New York investor conference Tuesday that the run-up in fuel prices could push Northwest's 2008 fuel bill to $5.2 billion, about $800 million more than it had projected.

"We have a thorough review underway of our capacity right now, with a particularly hard look at domestic" flying, Davis said. In January, Northwest indicated that it would shrink domestic capacity by 5.5 to 6.5 percent this year. But Northwest CEO Doug Steenland said Sunday that, after the big jump in oil prices, "We have to rethink the size of the airline we operate."

 

[Terry Hunter]

Northwest to shrink and get rid of more DC9's than planned?
Dave Davis, Northwest's chief financial officer, said at a New York investor conference Tuesday that the run-up in fuel prices could push Northwest's 2008 fuel bill to $5.2 billion, about $800 million more than it had projected.

"We have a thorough review underway of our capacity right now, with a particularly hard look at domestic" flying, Davis said. In January, Northwest indicated that it would shrink domestic capacity by 5.5 to 6.5 percent this year. But Northwest CEO Doug Steenland said Sunday that, after the big jump in oil prices, "We have to rethink the size of the airline we operate."

I could not find this article with the headline you posted, so can I assume you created the headline?

Here is the article that I believe you copy/pasted the above excerpts from, which is headlined Northwest pilots try to keep Delta merger deal alive:

http://www.startribune.com/business/16802001.html

Also, in other findings....
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/03/18/delta_looks_to_cut_2000_jobs/

Northwest Chief Financial Officer Dave Davis told the conference that bookings in March are strong. It is harder to forecast bookings for April and May, which tend to be "iffy," he said.
"We expect to have a strong summer as well," Davis said. "Despite some storm clouds on the horizon, bookings for the company have held up quite well."
Northwest is evaluating capacity changes, but has given no firm targets. Northwest shares rose about 7 percent to $9.59 in afternoon trading.

 

[MJ42]

I could not find this article with the headline you posted, so can I assume you created the headline?

Here is the article that I believe you copy/pasted the above excerpts from, which is headlined Northwest pilots try to keep Delta merger deal alive:

http://www.startribune.com/business/16802001.html

Also, in other findings....
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/03/18/delta_looks_to_cut_2000_jobs/

Northwest Chief Financial Officer Dave Davis told the conference that bookings in March are strong. It is harder to forecast bookings for April and May, which tend to be "iffy," he said.
"We expect to have a strong summer as well," Davis said. "Despite some storm clouds on the horizon, bookings for the company have held up quite well."
Northwest is evaluating capacity changes, but has given no firm targets. Northwest shares rose about 7 percent to $9.59 in afternoon trading.

Exactly, but you can't tell someone as thick headed as WSurf anything.

Hey WSurf, re-read my post to BlueRidger, especially the last line. BTW, still see you're taking credit for others research. Once again you found your article from a majors post. Only a fool such as yourself would get "facts" from FI!

 

[WSurf]

Exactly, but you can't tell someone as thick headed as WSurf anything.

Hey WSurf, re-read my post to BlueRidger, especially the last line. BTW, still see you're taking credit for others research. Once again you found your article from a majors post. Only a fool such as yourself would get "facts" from FI!

MJ42,

Remember the orginal question of this thread. Someone wanted to know about the possibility of a flowback NWA to Compass.

I stated that it could happen if fuel continued to rise and if they started Parking DC9's at a faster rate.

You then jumped me and stated I didn't have a clue about what I was talking about. Now, the funny part is that a week later others seem to think the same thing I did.

So how I was I so far fetch on that thougt? I know your on the DC9 at NWA, so if you put yourself on the outside why was my statement so far fetched?
See the funny part is that more people think it could happen to. So maybe my thought wasn't so far fetched after all.

LOL

 

[MJ42]

MJ42,

Remember the orginal question of this thread. Someone wanted to know about the possibility of a flowback NWA to Compass.True, and you chimed in like you were knowledgeable on what happens at NWA and Compass.

I stated that it could happen if fuel continued to rise and if they started Parking DC9's at a faster rate. Nice observation, state the obvious then take credit for having such foresight.

You then jumped me and stated I didn't have a clue about what I was talking about. Now, the funny part is that a week later others seem to think the same thing I did. Again, such foresight on your part. I didn't think I jumped on you, I just pointed out the FACT that you have NO knowledge or information on the subject. And, you have no stake in what happens, why do you care? From reading your other posts, especially to the General, you are happy in the Dash.

So how I was I so far fetch on that thougt? I know your on the DC9 at NWA, so if you put yourself on the outside why was my statement so far fetched?
See the funny part is that more people think it could happen to. So maybe my thought wasn't so far fetched after all.You said it, "on the outside". Just proved my point again, you have no stake in what happens nor do you have an interest in coming to NWA/Compass. It's too bad, I bet you'd do well here. Seems you have good experience and would be able to transition to the 9 very easy.

LOL

But like you said in another thread, it's more important to be home. I don't blame you because I commute and don't plan on moving to a NWA base any time soon.

 

[WSurf]

But like you said in another thread, it's more important to be home. I don't blame you because I commute and don't plan on moving to a NWA base any time soon.

What the hell does a commute have to with the issue of a flowback to Compass. Are really that freaking dumb.

The person asked a Question about Flowback from NWA to Compass. Yea, I don't know the on goings at NWA but I can tell that if fuel continues to rise sh$t will hit the fan at all airlines.

So with that I formulated an opinion (only that) that it could happen.

Take it for what its worth, if you don't like it...... well hmmmm Have a coke and a STFU.

Jeez, you are one annoying turd!