NWA flow back into compass.

[MJ42]

Trust me, instrument "skills" do deteriorate in a glass cockpit. I went from flying dual fms glass in jets for five years and just recently transitioned to a single, first generation fms setup in a turboprop (which is still more advanced than the dc-9) and it took some adjustment. Whether you notice it or not, glass does take a ton of work out of flying-but it has nothing to do with your "skills" as a pilot.

Your post is dead on accurate, but it will fall on deaf ears.(WSurf)

 

[WSurf]

Glass does one thing, it narrows your scan to a more smaller defined area. Never said glass didn't make life easier.

By looking at a Flight Director you have the luxury of not looking at your Alt, A/S, VSI, Heading. Basically reducing your scan.

If you wanna sharpin your insturment skills either in Glass or Steam. Just turn off the flight director and hand fly.

Like I said, its all the same. Modern Glass just narrows the scan area and makes life easier.

All the same, you pull back houses get smaller. You push forward and they get bigger.

If you keep pulling back, they get smaller and then all the sudden get bigger really fast.

Okay, your all pilots now. So Go have fun with the profession you have chosen.

 

[MJ42]

Glass does one thing, it narrows your scan to a more smaller defined area. Never said glass didn't make life easier.

By looking at a Flight Director you have the luxury of not looking at your Alt, A/S, VSI, Heading. Basically reducing your scan.

If you wanna sharpin your insturment skills either in Glass or Steam. Just turn off the flight director and hand fly.

Like I said, its all the same. Modern Glass just narrows the scan area.

Just like I predicted, deaf ears.

What glass experience do you have?

Sorry to have to discredit you once again but...really the only time you actually have the luxury of following the FD in the 9 is on an ILS. Like I said, it's primitive at best.

 

[WSurf]

Just like I predicted, deaf ears.

What glass experience do you have?

Sorry to have to discredit you once again but...really the only time you actually have the luxury of following the FD in the 9 is on an ILS. Like I said, it's primitive at best.

Dang, I only have the Poor Man's Glass experience!
Called Ghetto Glass.

WOW, I just found out I must be a good insturment pilot then!!! Yeaaaa.

I gotta get GL to walk my resume into Delta now!

 

[MJ42]

Dang, I only have the Poor Man's Glass experience!
Called Ghetto Glass.

WOW, I just found out I must be a good insturment pilot then!!! Yeaaaa.

You know, I'd bet you do have good instrument skills. However, you just proved my entire point of the thread, which is...commenting on something you know nothing about!(glass vs steam)

 

[WSurf]

Your too funny! It was just amusing having a DC-9 driver talking about sharping insturment skills.

While I respect and admire that Airplane, its too bad a tool like you is behind the controls.

 

[MJ42]

Your too funny! It was just amusing having a DC-9 driver talking about sharping insturment skills.

While I respect and admire that Airplane, its too bad a tool like you is behind the controls.

I see you've started taking grammar lessons from smarta$$.

Typical response from someone who's been completely discredited. Can't defend your position.

 

[Superpilot92]

Sorry to have to discredit you once again but...really the only time you actually have the luxury of following the FD in the 9 is on an ILS. Like I said, it's primitive at best.

That is true

 

[DrewBlows]

Hey now. That rag-painted, Soviet blue, hot-as-balls collection of oddball switches, gauges, and lights subsidized your Brazilian wonderjet and the jobs it provided, as did the pilots who fly it day in and day out.

So... Be nice!

And, yeah, you're right. Overall, it's pretty cool.

It's a means not an end. I'm probably the biggest DC-9 supporter out there. Compass and Northwest pilots interests are not exclusive. If I were running things I'd bring DC-9s, DC-10s, and 727s out of the desert. I'll fly what pays the most and fits my lifestyle (I hate commuting). If Compass paid $100 an hour to fly the C152 I'd be first in line to sign up. But I wouldn't fly a C150, I'm much too good for that.

 

[WSurf]

Just goes to show you have no clue. What's the matter, can't back statements in your posts. I guess it's hard since there are no facts in your post. Pitiful.

Jeez, kinda of interesting little article! Someone else that has no clue or thought just like me. Oh whatever! Too Funny!
So do you like apples???



http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm

[FONT=Tahoma, Ariel, Lucida]This also points to the possibility of AA retiring a number of MD-80s (nee "Super-80s") from its fleet to cut costs. Or NW suddenly slashing out the last of its DC-9s from its fleet. (Note that these are the mainstay of the NW focus operation at IND, along with CRJs. Conclusions can be drawn.)[/FONT]​

 

[WSurf]

Typical response from someone who's been completely discredited. Can't defend your position.

Heheheheheheheheh

How you like d'em apples!

 

[WSurf]

Wow...I used to think this guy posted some decent info...After this, I am clearly wrong....obviously not one that offers credibilty in his response....Lets hope this is a "one off" poor reply to a subject he is clearly off base with no decent intelligence on.

And you can join your girlfriend too. How you like them apples?

 

[MJ42]

Heheheheheheheheh

How you like d'em apples!

"After 50-Seaters, The Next Plane Up Is 130+ Seats. Maybe. There's no question that RJ economics have been going in the wrong direction for years. The Boyd Group accurately forecast a glut of these machines well before OPEC and hedge funds started to get frisky with oil price games. But the real danger now is that most US carriers are stuck with the "100-seat capacity gap."

There's more to the article that you ignored(above is just one of many). No leases on the DC-9 even with the high fuel prices make it a viable short term stop gap in the 100-130 seat market.

You have no experience on glass, yet seem to be the expert on how to transition between steam and glass. You don't know anything about NWA or the 9, yet seem to be the expert on what we should do with our fleet. Did you read the entire article, fool! 50 seat RJ's will be parked well before the 9.

Just cause you found an article that has one line about parking the 9 your argument still is baseless. The 9 is being parked, you and I certainly have no idea about how fast(or slow). NWA has planned for it. Your original statement was about flowbacks happening by summer because the 9 is being parked. NWA is SHORT on pilots. Seems you should be more worried about Piedmonts fate.

Throw some more childish insults my way, I'm man enough to take your drivel. Just shows that you are classless.

"D'em apples" were rotten. Go out to the orchard and get some more, son.

P.S. I knew your research consists of what you learn on FI, you got that article from the majors section. You aren't smart enough to do your own research. Go watch "Good Will Hunting" again, then you can say you went to MIT, idiot.

 

[MJ42]

Heheheheheheheheh

How you like d'em apples!

"Thursday March 13, 2008
High fuel prices may affect flights at Yeager Airport
by The Associated Press
Yeager Airport might lose some of its daily flights because of high fuel prices, but the remaining planes would probably be bigger.

According to a report issued by the Charleston airport's marketing consultant, The Boyd Group of Evergreen Colo., the nation's fleet of about 1,600 regional jets will drop by more than 50 percent in the next nine years.

Most of the 35- to 50-passenger aircraft are leased to airlines under cost-plus contracts, which are "now becoming major cash drains" because of record high operating costs, according to the report, which was forwarded to airport board members earlier this week.

With jet fuel now headed over the $3 a gallon mark, the 50 percent drop in regional jet numbers Boyd projected by 2017 "may now be conservative," according to the report.

Yeager Airport Director Rick Atkinson, who spoke with Michael Boyd, president of The Boyd Group, on Wednesday, said the consultant doesn't predict "any immediate shocks for us in our schedule in this round, but that doesn't mean there won't be if the fuel situation persists."

Atkinson said Yeager, which makes use of regional jets on many of its flights, generates enough international passengers, seen by airlines as top revenue producers, to help prevent any immediate cutbacks in flights. "It's one of the saving graces we have," he said.

But if crude oil prices remain at more than $100 a barrel for a protracted period or rise significantly, "we could be seeing a change in the equipment used here," Atkinson said.

Yeager's Philadelphia service, which had been provided on regional jets, has returned to turboprops, which have half the operating costs of regional jets, while flight times remain about the same on shorter routes, Atkinson said.

More flights could switch to turboprops if the fuel trend remains a fact of life, he said.

Regional jet manufacturers are also beginning to build fuel-efficient 80- to 120-passenger aircraft, which could eventually replace some of the flights now served by smaller regional jets.

"When Pittsburgh used to be a hub airport, we had three DC-9 flights a day going there," Atkinson said. "Later, we had five or six regional jet flights going to Pittsburgh. If fuel prices stay high, we could see our five or six daily flights to Charlotte reduced to maybe three flights - but using bigger aircraft. We might lose some frequency, but we could actually gain a few seats. It's just more cost-effective to run a larger plane."

High fuel prices killed plans to launch nonstop service to Las Vegas earlier this year, Atkinson said. But new Southern Skyways service starting in May to Orlando, Fla., using a 140-seat Boeing 737, should provide the efficiency needed to make the seasonal service viable, he said."

Uh oh, WSurf, Piedmont's better be careful. Based on your theory, they may have to furlough by summer. If you're senior enough you'll be ok in the Dash, turboprops are good. Just goes to show you, do enough research and you can find someone to support any "theory". NOBODY knows until it happens, you idiot!

 

[BlueRidger]

I have a dog in this fight. I am going to class at Compass next week. bad time to get back into the industry. As for the DC-9's going away who knows but it is a lot cheaper to park a paid-for aircraft than to park an aircraft you are making payments on. Right now the name of the game is not to keeping the most efficient aircraft flying but to reduce capacity to the point that the demand is high enough to raise fares. If Northwest has enough demand they will keep the -9's flying if they don't they will be parked very quickly. United Airlines has already said that they have a 100 planes paid for that they can park if fuel goes over $100/bbl.
The regional feed will also be cut. First, by schedule reductions, then by number of aircraft contracted. Most airlines can cancel a regional's contract without cause if they give 6 months notice. Sooner with cause. I was bumped out of the DoJet by Delta this way.

I have no idea how what amount of aircraft would have to be cut to cause NWA furloughs and flow backs. NWA could just stop hiring and let attrition tke care of the rest rather than pay for a system realignment bump and flush. I am very concerned about flowbacks. For the short term however, the system realignments caused by furloughs would take longer than the need for pilots at Compass to staff the 2 A/C that are arriving per month. Of course they could stop taking A/C.

If anyone knows the ratio of NWA mainline A/C to 76 seat A/C that are allowed. could they post it?

 

[WSurf]

Uh oh, WSurf, Piedmont's better be careful. Based on your theory, they may have to furlough by summer. If you're senior enough you'll be ok in the Dash, turboprops are good. Just goes to show you, do enough research and you can find someone to support any "theory". NOBODY knows until it happens, you idiot![/COLOR]

Yep, there you go! Piedmont's gonna start parking Turbo Props. Heheheheheh

 

[MJ42]

I have a dog in this fight. I am going to class at Compass next week. bad time to get back into the industry. As for the DC-9's going away who knows but it is a lot cheaper to park a paid-for aircraft than to park an aircraft you are making payments on. Right now the name of the game is not to keeping the most efficient aircraft flying but to reduce capacity to the point that the demand is high enough to raise fares. If Northwest has enough demand they will keep the -9's flying if they don't they will be parked very quickly. United Airlines has already said that they have a 100 planes paid for that they can park if fuel goes over $100/bbl.
The regional feed will also be cut. First, by schedule reductions, then by number of aircraft contracted. Most airlines can cancel a regional's contract without cause if they give 6 months notice. Sooner with cause. I was bumped out of the DoJet by Delta this way.

I have no idea how what amount of aircraft would have to be cut to cause NWA furloughs and flow backs. NWA could just stop hiring and let attrition tke care of the rest rather than pay for a system realignment bump and flush. I am very concerned about flowbacks. For the short term however, the system realignments caused by furloughs would take longer than the need for pilots at Compass to staff the 2 A/C that are arriving per month. Of course they could stop taking A/C.

If anyone knows the ratio of NWA mainline A/C to 76 seat A/C that are allowed. could they post it?

First off, good luck with Compass. I think you should be ok. But as I said many times on this thread, no one knows for sure. I've been furloughed after 9/11 so I understand your concern.

Don't know the ratio of mainline to 76 seat aircraft, I'll see what I can dig up. I can tell you Compass pilots have the support of mainline pilot, we want the flow up to work. Hopefully it will.

More info for ya WSurf:


http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/aircares/EarthCares.pdf

It actually busts ( a little) on the 9. Just proves my point that NWA is planning for the "phasing out".

 

[MJ42]

Yep, there you go! Piedmont's gonna start parking Turbo Props. Heheheheheh

I said you'd be safe cause you're in a turboprop, jerk. But..."It's just more cost-effective to run a larger plane."

You're also tied to a company that has MAJOR pilot issues. Using your theory, you should be worried.

 

[WSurf]

You mean theres a major that doesn't have major pilot issues????????? heheheh

 

[MJ42]

You mean theres a major that doesn't have major pilot issues????????? heheheh

Everyone has their problems, but I assure you the venom between the East and West at Airways is a Major problem.

 

[WSurf]

Everyone has their problems, but I assure you the venom between the East and West at Airways is a Major problem.

Let me see, about 99.999999 Percent of all Airline mergers do infact cause problems between the pilot groups. Merging two airlines will always cause some sort of rift between the two pilot groups. Thats the way it is and will always be.

 

[DoinTime]

Everyone has their problems, but I assure you the venom between the East and West at Airways is a Major problem.

Its almost like Northwest/Republic all over again. 20+ years later there are still pilots bitter over that deal.

 

[CFIfornow]

If anyone knows the ratio of NWA mainline A/C to 76 seat A/C that are allowed. could they post it?

NWA can have a total of 90 51-76 seat RJs to start with. 72 are accounted for at this point. 36 to Compass and 36 to Mesaba. Once a baseline of narrow body aircraft at mainline is set (I don't know when that is, maybe a year out of bankruptcy?) NWA can increase the number of 51-76 seat RJ's on a ratio basis (again I don't know what the ratio is) by adding more narrow bodies to the mainline fleet.

 

[Terry Hunter]

... Once a baseline of narrow body aircraft at mainline is set (I don't know when that is, maybe a year out of bankruptcy?) ...

Correct to how I understand it too, and that date would be May 31st, 2008 (one year from "A new day" for all the insiders ) and that is why nwa is trying to park as many as possible before that date, so they can start adding back to the narrowbody fleet. Hmmmm, imagine that - a rumor about narrowbody expansion.

Granted, NWA's goal is to merge, but their 2nd goal is to expand in the international market while keeping domestic flat (note: flat doesn't mean reductions).

 

[WSurf]

Northwest to shrink and get rid of more DC9's than planned?
Dave Davis, Northwest's chief financial officer, said at a New York investor conference Tuesday that the run-up in fuel prices could push Northwest's 2008 fuel bill to $5.2 billion, about $800 million more than it had projected.

"We have a thorough review underway of our capacity right now, with a particularly hard look at domestic" flying, Davis said. In January, Northwest indicated that it would shrink domestic capacity by 5.5 to 6.5 percent this year. But Northwest CEO Doug Steenland said Sunday that, after the big jump in oil prices, "We have to rethink the size of the airline we operate."

 

[Terry Hunter]

Northwest to shrink and get rid of more DC9's than planned?
Dave Davis, Northwest's chief financial officer, said at a New York investor conference Tuesday that the run-up in fuel prices could push Northwest's 2008 fuel bill to $5.2 billion, about $800 million more than it had projected.

"We have a thorough review underway of our capacity right now, with a particularly hard look at domestic" flying, Davis said. In January, Northwest indicated that it would shrink domestic capacity by 5.5 to 6.5 percent this year. But Northwest CEO Doug Steenland said Sunday that, after the big jump in oil prices, "We have to rethink the size of the airline we operate."

I could not find this article with the headline you posted, so can I assume you created the headline?

Here is the article that I believe you copy/pasted the above excerpts from, which is headlined Northwest pilots try to keep Delta merger deal alive:

http://www.startribune.com/business/16802001.html

Also, in other findings....
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/03/18/delta_looks_to_cut_2000_jobs/

Northwest Chief Financial Officer Dave Davis told the conference that bookings in March are strong. It is harder to forecast bookings for April and May, which tend to be "iffy," he said.
"We expect to have a strong summer as well," Davis said. "Despite some storm clouds on the horizon, bookings for the company have held up quite well."
Northwest is evaluating capacity changes, but has given no firm targets. Northwest shares rose about 7 percent to $9.59 in afternoon trading.

 

[MJ42]

I could not find this article with the headline you posted, so can I assume you created the headline?

Here is the article that I believe you copy/pasted the above excerpts from, which is headlined Northwest pilots try to keep Delta merger deal alive:

http://www.startribune.com/business/16802001.html

Also, in other findings....
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/03/18/delta_looks_to_cut_2000_jobs/

Northwest Chief Financial Officer Dave Davis told the conference that bookings in March are strong. It is harder to forecast bookings for April and May, which tend to be "iffy," he said.
"We expect to have a strong summer as well," Davis said. "Despite some storm clouds on the horizon, bookings for the company have held up quite well."
Northwest is evaluating capacity changes, but has given no firm targets. Northwest shares rose about 7 percent to $9.59 in afternoon trading.

Exactly, but you can't tell someone as thick headed as WSurf anything.

Hey WSurf, re-read my post to BlueRidger, especially the last line. BTW, still see you're taking credit for others research. Once again you found your article from a majors post. Only a fool such as yourself would get "facts" from FI!

 

[WSurf]

Exactly, but you can't tell someone as thick headed as WSurf anything.

Hey WSurf, re-read my post to BlueRidger, especially the last line. BTW, still see you're taking credit for others research. Once again you found your article from a majors post. Only a fool such as yourself would get "facts" from FI!

MJ42,

Remember the orginal question of this thread. Someone wanted to know about the possibility of a flowback NWA to Compass.

I stated that it could happen if fuel continued to rise and if they started Parking DC9's at a faster rate.

You then jumped me and stated I didn't have a clue about what I was talking about. Now, the funny part is that a week later others seem to think the same thing I did.

So how I was I so far fetch on that thougt? I know your on the DC9 at NWA, so if you put yourself on the outside why was my statement so far fetched?
See the funny part is that more people think it could happen to. So maybe my thought wasn't so far fetched after all.

LOL

 

[MJ42]

MJ42,

Remember the orginal question of this thread. Someone wanted to know about the possibility of a flowback NWA to Compass.True, and you chimed in like you were knowledgeable on what happens at NWA and Compass.

I stated that it could happen if fuel continued to rise and if they started Parking DC9's at a faster rate. Nice observation, state the obvious then take credit for having such foresight.

You then jumped me and stated I didn't have a clue about what I was talking about. Now, the funny part is that a week later others seem to think the same thing I did. Again, such foresight on your part. I didn't think I jumped on you, I just pointed out the FACT that you have NO knowledge or information on the subject. And, you have no stake in what happens, why do you care? From reading your other posts, especially to the General, you are happy in the Dash.

So how I was I so far fetch on that thougt? I know your on the DC9 at NWA, so if you put yourself on the outside why was my statement so far fetched?
See the funny part is that more people think it could happen to. So maybe my thought wasn't so far fetched after all.You said it, "on the outside". Just proved my point again, you have no stake in what happens nor do you have an interest in coming to NWA/Compass. It's too bad, I bet you'd do well here. Seems you have good experience and would be able to transition to the 9 very easy.

LOL

But like you said in another thread, it's more important to be home. I don't blame you because I commute and don't plan on moving to a NWA base any time soon.

 

[WSurf]

But like you said in another thread, it's more important to be home. I don't blame you because I commute and don't plan on moving to a NWA base any time soon.

What the hell does a commute have to with the issue of a flowback to Compass. Are really that freaking dumb.

The person asked a Question about Flowback from NWA to Compass. Yea, I don't know the on goings at NWA but I can tell that if fuel continues to rise sh$t will hit the fan at all airlines.

So with that I formulated an opinion (only that) that it could happen.

Take it for what its worth, if you don't like it...... well hmmmm Have a coke and a STFU.

Jeez, you are one annoying turd!