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By LIZ FEDOR, Star Tribune

February 20, 2008
Northwest Airlines pilots risk losing pay raises of more than 30 percent included in a tentative labor agreement, because Northwest and Delta Air Lines pilot negotiators are at a virtual standstill over integrating their seniority lists, a person close to the negotiations told the Star Tribune.
The standoff between the pilot groups is blocking the announcement of a Northwest-Delta merger.
"Now the deal is at risk," the news source with knowledge of the talks said. "It is at risk by a handful, just a couple of renegade Northwest Airlines pilots who are insisting on stapling thousands of Delta pilots at the bottom of the seniority list.
"The tragedy of this is that two or three of these cowboys are going to deny 12,000 pilots and their families and tens of thousands of other Northwest employees and Delta employees the choice to improve their economic future," the source added.
The seniority list determines which airplane a pilot flies and how much a pilot earns.
"There is no [merger] deal without a merged seniority list ahead of time," the source said.
Matt Coons, a spokesman for the Northwest branch of the Air Line Pilots Association, characterized the statements of the unnamed news source as false.
"It is interesting that this person who is supposedly so close to the negotiations is making statements that are absolutely not true. This is a pressure tactic to try to get Northwest pilots to accept a seniority list that could adversely affect their entire careers," Coons said.
The news source said that the Delta and Northwest pilots worked together constructively in recent weeks to negotiate a merged labor contract, which provides the 30 percent-plus pay raises for Northwest pilots over the four-year life of the contract. Compared to the existing contracts, there is an additional $2 billion in compensation in the proposed deal for the Northwest and Delta pilots, the news source said.
Delta pilots are now paid more, so their raises under the new labor agreement would be smaller.
One set of Northwest negotiators reached agreement on a labor deal that covers pay rates, benefits and work rules.
A second group of Northwest pilots has negotiated with Delta pilots on the seniority integration issue.
"They are the sole obstacle to a fair solution on the seniority integration," the person familiar with the talks said.
The Northwest ALPA executive council is scheduled to meet Thursday and Friday to discuss the merger. Some members of that council are prepared to vote against the tentative labor agreement if the seniority integration issue remains unresolved.
"We want any seniority list integration to be fair to pilots at the top, middle and the bottom of the seniority list," Coons said this morning. "Most of our economic and contractual issues have been favorably resolved and we are very enthusiastic about the growth that a consolidation could inspire."
The boards of Delta and Northwest are scheduled to meet today, but the carriers are not expected to announce a merger for now while the seniority issue remains up in the air.
Disputes over the seniority issue plagued the Northwest and Republic Airlines merger more than 20 years ago and have hurt the US Airways and America West merger that took effect in 2005.
"A pilot's career is tied completely to his or her seniority ranking and a short-term economic benefit is not worth sacrificing the possibility of advancement over an entire career," Coons said.
Delta pilots also are represented by ALPA. Delta's pilot group is larger, with about 7,000 pilots. The Northwest group is roughly 5,000 pilots.
About 3,000 Delta pilots would go to the bottom third of the merged seniority list if the Northwest delegation has its way, the unnamed news source said.

Delta CEO Richard Anderson, who would be the top executive of the merged carrier, is well acquainted with the dynamics of pilot labor negotiations. Since he also served as CEO of Northwest from 2001 to 2004, he's been exposed to the personalities and dynamics of both ALPA chapters.
It's unclear how long Anderson, Northwest CEO Doug Steenland and their boards will wait for ALPA leaders to resolve their conflicts or what management might do to try to break the logjam.
 
By LIZ FEDOR, Star Tribune

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About 3,000 Delta pilots would go to the bottom third of the merged seniority list if the Northwest delegation has its way, the unnamed news source said.
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I sure hope Ms. Fedor is smoking something good. NWA pilots wouldn't ask for their 2 month new hire to go in front of the 10 year guys at DAL.
Would they?
 
I'll bet the "news source with knowledge" is a management leak-lie. They want to give the pilots the bum's-rush and snooker them into a very very bad deal.

Happy to see that the NW pilots arent' biting. These management thieves need to get reamed the way they've been reaming the employees for years.

The so-called journalist at the Tribune has zero credibility with the article.
 
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Anyone familiar with Liz Fedors articles knows that she is one of a very few in the media that gets aviation stories consistentantly correct and accurate. Not saying that she doesn't have some bogus source here but reports from Liz are normally dead on.
 
"We want any seniority list integration to be fair to pilots at the top, middle and the bottom of the seniority list," Coons said this morning. "Most of our economic and contractual issues have been favorably resolved and we are very enthusiastic about the growth that a consolidation could inspire."

"A pilot's career is tied completely to his or her seniority ranking and a short-term economic benefit is not worth sacrificing the possibility of advancement over an entire career," Coons said.

About 3,000 Delta pilots would go to the bottom third of the merged seniority list if the Northwest delegation has its way, the unnamed news source said.

If this is the case DALPA needs to walk away from the table.

There's a pot of money management is willing to give up for this deal. If NW pilots are brought up to DL rates, that's a good chunk of the pot right there.

I think the translation of Coon's statement might read "We want your pay scales, larger equipment, and better bases, along with our share of the equity, but we're not willing to give anything up."

No offense, I was at NW but they bring very little to the table to benefit the DL pilot. They do bring much risk of retiring equipment, though. This deal can't fall apart fast enough.
 
If this is the case DALPA needs to walk away from the table.

There's a pot of money management is willing to give up for this deal. If NW pilots are brought up to DL rates, that's a good chunk of the pot right there.

I think the translation of Coon's statement might read "We want your pay scales, larger equipment, and better bases, along with our share of the equity, but we're not willing to give anything up."

No offense, I was at NW but they bring very little to the table to benefit the DL pilot. They do bring much risk of retiring equipment, though. This deal can't fall apart fast enough.

Agreed. I don't see any benefit for the Delta pilot group. The only thing we have to gain is a favorable SLI. Hope all these merger plans die soon.
 
That article has got to be smoke and mirrors, I am a NWA newhire and noboby in my class or myself would want or ask for Delta pilots hired before us to be put below us. I would only ask that I be given DOH as I am on property less than a year.

I believe in our MEC, they will attempt to do the right thing, and if it can be done they will do it, if not... well we both were doing just fine without each other.
 
Quote from another financial message board.
Delta is not buying NWA or anyone. If this deal goes will be a stock swap. DAL has $4.0 Billion debt due now through 2011, NWA $1.9. DAL has $1.0 Billion LESS cash on hand than NWA. DAL CASM is 10% higher than NWA. NWA Cash/Monthly Expense ratio over twice as good as DAL, 3.2 to 1.5 and NWA operating margin is almost 60% higher than DAL. NWA pretax margin is 139% higher than DAL. NWA had the highest operating margins in the industry in 2007. NWA gets 12% revenue from RJ's while DAL is 25%/expensive. DAL needs a merger/help before end of 2009 or gets tight on cash again. Over the next 20 years, the Pacific Region will have over twice the growth rate of any other region. DAL Pacific operation is 0.2% of their overall ops. NWA has 10% of their operations in Asia with 68 B-787 slots locked up. Who really needs who? p.s. Heard the equity is 7% but the pilots are FAR apart on seniority integration.
 
I'll bet the "news source with knowledge" is a management leak-lie. They want to give the pilots the bum's-rush and snooker them into a very very bad deal.

Happy to see that the NW pilots arent' biting. These management thieves need to get reamed the way they've been reaming the employees for years.

The so-called journalist at the Tribune has zero credibility with the article.
Liz Fedor has always been a good friend to the Association. You'll notice that she specifically gave equal time to NWA ALPA to refute these claims from the other source. The other source is likely a management stooge that's trying to make NWA ALPA look bad.
 

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