Now is the time: Eagle

[Starscream]

What happens after 4 weeks - is it 4 weeks regardless, or just the end of a phase of training?

Two to a room during indoc/systems (about 4 weeks on the jet, 3 on the turboprop), but when you go to the sim you get your own room because your sim schedule will probably be different than your roomates'. Hope this helps.


P.S. The company has just announced a sort-of solution to their inability to upgrade due to staffing. FOs who upgrade in same type will now only go to groundschool for like 4-5 days instead of 3 weeks. The company needs captains (he!! they NEED warm bodies -- all equipment, bases, and seats), but they haven't been upgrading because they claim they couldn't afford to take FOs off the line and put em in upgrade training for 2 months. But it looks like they're making an effort now at least, and this year inevitably there will be a ton of upgrades (rumor has it that in the not too distant future it will average 30-40 a month) due to flowbacks leaving. The last one could possibly be off the property at this time next year. And then there are 400 flowthru pilots with AA seniority numbers. Obviously they won't ALL go but a significant number of them still intend to flow, especially the ones in their early/mid 40s. AMR won't let them go? BS. They continue to whine about AE being "top-heavy," so if somebody on 18 year pay wants to leave, AMR will not stand in their way. And I'm sure we'll have some attrition due to DAL, CAL, FDX, SWA, JBU, UPS, and possibly UAL, NWA, and maybe, just maybe LCC hiring in 2007. What does this lead to? Upgrade to turboprop captain will be about 4 years in the future (hopefully less!). I've been here 2 1/2 years, and every time I do the math from every conceivable angle (monthly upgrade numbers, number of FOs senior to me, AA recall rates) I keep coming up with 2 more years in the right seat (meaning 4 1/2 year upgrade for me). I'd been thinking seriously about making a lateral move in the last several months (I was reeeal tempted by the 6 month upgrade at SKW, but wasn't really attracted to a commute across the continent), but for now I think I'm staying put because for me AE looks like the safest bet. If the bases/equipment etc. appeal to you, don't be afraid of that upgrade time. If that's all that's swaying you, it will come down. It won't be as quick as some of the others out there, but we will not be 7+ years, either. 4 years will probably be what we'll see this time next year, and maybe 3 years not long after.

 

[CitationLover]

Thanks for the response. Re the sims : Why7-10? do they give extra if you need it, then? How many sims do you do in a row? Are you talking about ATR or CRJ?

the sim schedule is usually after systems, fms, etc training. you usually have one or two sim sessions with no motion just going over flows, etc, then 4 or 5 in a row then a phase check. after this is your checkride, then LOFT.

they need people, so i am sure you will be assisted if needed.

KEEP IN MIND THIS IS TRAINING FOR AN AIRLINE, NOT AN INSTRUMENT RATING. THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TIME IS SEEING PEOPLE LACK BASIC INSTRUMENT FLYING SKILLS.

 

[XJohXJ]

Hey, I'm furloughed right now, I'll go to Eagle:

My requirements:

$10,000 signing bonus (or previous 121 or other turbine experience starts at 2nd year pay).
$5,000 second year FO continuation bonus.
Single room occupancy for all hotels, no exceptions.
Chicago base. (or other central/north midwestern base)

No? Ok, no thanks.


But, seriously: There are still lots of furloughed 121 guys out there, and probably burned out 121 and 135 guys, for that matter, too. Some of them aren't even a-holes like I am!

What keeps us out of starting at other regionals?

1) Sh!tty pay.
2) More sh!tty pay.
3) Unexcusable cheap-@ss bullsh!t such as double occupancy hotels.

 

[info]

Two to a room during indoc/systems (about 4 weeks on the jet, 3 on the turboprop), but when you go to the sim you get your own room because your sim schedule will probably be different than your roomates'. Hope this helps.


Yes, it does - thanks for this and the rest of the info. Not knowing whcih aircraft before training puts me off as well as the sharing. At least it's paying for my own room for 4 weeks only. Is there a training contract?

 

[info]

the sim schedule is usually after systems, fms, etc training. you usually have one or two sim sessions with no motion just going over flows, etc, then 4 or 5 in a row then a phase check. after this is your checkride, then LOFT.

they need people, so i am sure you will be assisted if needed.

KEEP IN MIND THIS IS TRAINING FOR AN AIRLINE, NOT AN INSTRUMENT RATING. THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TIME IS SEEING PEOPLE LACK BASIC INSTRUMENT FLYING SKILLS.

OK, thanks for the help

 

[Starscream]

Hey info..........

Eagle gives you a room for the entire training event. Not just systems. When you get to the sim, you get your own private room. The whole roomate thing does suck. We got that 2 years ago in the last amendment round in exchange for the increased first year pay (it was pretty significant -- it was really really low before..........now it's just really low).

And no, there is no training contract. That's been one of the big problems that they've had. People quit before day 2 if they don't like their a/c assignment. The chances of the ERJ are pretty decent, depending on your age. Right now they are giving priority to ERJ staffing because it is the by far the largest fleet type. Look at it this way, if you get the ATR, you can go to MIA after a couple months maybe in SJU, and if you get SF3, you'll probably be in DFW. It is our second most senior ERJ base, I guess because you can commute there from just about anywhere. And you'll have a line on the turboprop almost instantly. When you transfer to the ERJ, you'll be probably hold a line right away, because ever newhire that got the jet after your class will be junior to you. If you get ERJ right away, depending on the base, reserve could be closer to a year.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

How senior is ORD on the ERJ side? any CRJ's in ORD?

 

[Starscream]

ORD is one of the 2 CRJ bases. Not many newhires there lately, although that might change soon. In Feb there are only 2, yes 2, reserve FOs on the CRJ in ORD.

ORD ERJ, I'd say is 'mid' senior. Not really senior, but not really junior.

If I had to put together a list of the most senior/junior ERJ bases, I'd say it goes like this

1. LAX (mainly because it is extremely small.....only like 50 crews or so)
2. DFW
3. LGA
4. ORD
5. BOS

LAX is the more senior SF3 base, and MIA is the more senior ATR base. Right now on the CRJ ORD is senior.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

So, most new hires are getting BOS ERJ? and reserve runs about 1 year over there?

BOS is a long commute from the west !!

Thanks.

 

[Starscream]

Most newhires are getting ORD, LGA, and BOS. If you're on the west cost, try for SF3 (probably DFW) and then transfer to LAX (shouldn't take too long). Reserve is just a couple of months in BOS. In the NE, it is a larger domicile (more lines and block hours), and more junior than LGA. LGA's reserve time is longer right now, but in BOS a newhire shouldn't wait long for at least a composite line. Reserve in ORD on the ERJ is about a year and half-ish if I'm not wrong.

 

[flyby]

So, most new hires are getting BOS ERJ? and reserve runs about 1 year over there?

BOS is a long commute from the west !!

Thanks.

AE wants to hire 700 pilots in 2007. Reserve won't be long anywhere except LAX. Your first day at the company you can enter your bid preference. If there is a vacancy at that base it is entirely likely you will be awarded it. This applies mainly to the EMB. Start class in February and you'll be flying out of your choice of EMB bases by May. After training that's only 6-8 weeks of flying out of enemy territory. No big deal.

 

[Starscream]

But on the ERJ it does take about 2 years to even hold LAX.

 

[CopilotDoug]

KEEP IN MIND THIS IS TRAINING FOR AN AIRLINE, NOT AN INSTRUMENT RATING.

This is very correct. Instrument rating implies you'll be flying the plane...airline training implies you need to know how to properly turn the autopilot on/off.

 

[CitationLover]

This is very correct. Instrument rating implies you'll be flying the plane...airline training implies you need to know how to properly turn the autopilot on/off.

i'll even give you a hint: push the HDG button then ALT then AP.

if all else fails, cry.