Northwest pilots set conditions for a merger...Article

[MCDU]

Will the NW guys on furlough be stapled?

 

[FDJ2]

This is Hilarious.... The General and some of you others actually think you have a say. Alpa will get hood-winked again, fall for it and then slap themselves silly for agreeing to such a dumb idea.

The same was said when we faced an 1113c, yet we managed to keep our work rules, we have a decent sick leave policy, only endured a modest pay cut when compared to what was asked, a short duration for the concession and nearly $2B in cash in our pockets.

Then there was the hostile takeover. All the posts on here about how the money was with Parker, money talks, blah, blah, blah, but at the end of the day Parker and his backers were shown the door.

Good thing not everyone has your victim/defeatist mentality.

 

[FDJ2]

I disagree. IF the feds approve the merger (and that's a big "if") it will be on the condition that they can't eliminate competition and cut service.

The airline will agree, the merger will be blessed and in short order management will cut high cost RJ service citing unprecedent fuel costs no longer make the gas guzzling RJ feasible.

 

[jtm2222]

Does everybody realize that the General Lee has averaged a little over 5 posts a day for the past 5 1/2 years....

 

[FDJ2]

It doesn't really matter, but our A330 CA rate is $161.52 + $5.17 Intl Override (no domestic flying on the 330). I was thinking your 75/6 domestic was around $158.


We also got a raise on 1/1/08.

If DAL only receives the 1.5% contractual minimum raise:

Delta 767 rate is 159.98/hr, Int'l override is $5/hr

DAL 767-400 rate is $180.54, plus over ride

DAL 777 rate is $191.13 Only 8 on property, 2 more in Febuary.

DAL 757 pay is $159.98/hr

DAL has 136 B757s

DAL has over 100 767s, 21 of them are 767-400s.

For pay comparison purposes, DAL's 767-400 pays about the same as NWA's 747-400, DAL's 767 and 757 pays about the same as NWA's A330, and DAL's MD-88/90 pays about the same as NWA's 757.

Hopefully all pay rates will go up in the event of a merger with pay equity across the board.

 

[Diesel-9]

Pay is the easiest benifit to restore. Work rules and bodies are the hardest and most time consuming. And NWA kept a good portion of the work rules. I made $191 an hour 4 years ago as a DC-9 CA. The Whale guys were about $250+. And thanks to all the NWA guys and the '98 Strike, UAL/DAL got the big rates they had, although for a short time. Better days ahead, pay wise.

 

[Max Powers]

Pay is the easiest benifit to restore. Work rules and bodies are the hardest and most time consuming. And NWA kept a good portion of the work rules. I made $191 an hour 4 years ago as a DC-9 CA. The Whale guys were about $250+. And thanks to all the NWA guys and the '98 Strike, UAL/DAL got the big rates they had, although for a short time. Better days ahead, pay wise.

Yea but at what cost????

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Does everybody realize that the General Lee has averaged a little over 5 posts a day for the past 5 1/2 years....

That's the only factual or interesting post in this thread.

Nice work!

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Pay is the easiest benifit to restore. Work rules and bodies are the hardest and most time consuming. And NWA kept a good portion of the work rules. I made $191 an hour 4 years ago as a DC-9 CA. The Whale guys were about $250+. And thanks to all the NWA guys and the '98 Strike, UAL/DAL got the big rates they had, although for a short time. Better days ahead, pay wise.

Question: Does retro pay include all the money you could have made through investments? The money that the company would have contributed to your 401k or profit sharing?

 

[jke406]

Delta and Northwest: "Two Great Airlines, One Great Future".

I think what you meant was:

"Two Great Airlines, One Great Future...without RJs."

 

[Occam's Razor]

Will the NW guys on furlough be stapled?

Yeah...right below the New Hires.

(sigh)

 

[John Pennekamp]

The airline will agree, the merger will be blessed and in short order management will cut high cost RJ service citing unprecedent fuel costs no longer make the gas guzzling RJ feasible.

I think what you meant was:

"Two Great Airlines, One Great Future...without RJs."

Sad and pathetic to see two mainline pilots who have already "made it" gleefully predicting pilots less fortunate them losing their jobs.

That's what's wrong with this industry. We fight for scraps and management picks our pockets while we're fighting.

 

[MJ42]

Sad and pathetic to see two mainline pilots who have already "made it" gleefully predicting pilots less fortunate them losing their jobs.

That's what's wrong with this industry. We fight for scraps and management picks our pockets while we're fighting.

I don't think FDJ2 is gleeful in his post, he's giving an opinion on what he thinks will happen. There is a lot of agreement with his statements but in actuality who knows what will happen. I came up through the CFI, 135 then regional ranks and would hate to see anyone lose their job, but maybe this cyclical industry is changing back to where it should have been all along...Regional feed actually being what it's name implies, with appropriate aircraft on those routes.

 

[jke406]

Sad and pathetic to see two mainline pilots who have already "made it" gleefully predicting pilots less fortunate them losing their jobs.

Neither one of those posts was in any way "gleeful."

The sad-sack victim routine isn't working for you, my man.

And don't forget, hundreds/thousands of mainline pilots will be furloughed in almost any merger situation.

 

[johnsonrod]

Neither one of those posts was in any way "gleeful."

The sad-sack victim routine isn't working for you, my man.

And don't forget, hundreds/thousands of mainline pilots will be furloughed in almost any merger situation.

Not true. If the route networks are truly complementary then "massive" furloughs are unlikely. It's also unlikely that the FEDs will have problems given that so few hubs actually overlap. If you reduce capacity on redundant routes (e.g., ATL-DTW), another airline (like Air Tran or SWA) will simply fill in the void and compete with the combined carrier. NWA and DAL primarily compete head-to-head on hub-connecting routes like ATL-DTW or MSP-CVG. If the merger actually gets the green light, there may not be the need for many mainline furloughs at the two companies (if at all). There just isn't much overlap between the two airlines. Hiring at the combined airline might not be as strong going forward depending upon how the combined airline would deploy the Diesel 9 crews as those aircraft leave the fleet...

However, the impact on regional feed is a little less clear because a combined carrier may not need 7 regional partners...