No Union

[JustInfo]

I still don't have insurance being taken out of my check. I still don't have to call in after 10 hours rest to get a new "adjusted" show time or else lose the brown shading on my nose. I still have never gone to training on my days off (I know, they promised it is going away.) I still have never flown a holiday without receiving $760 extra pay. I still have never started before 8 on my first day and not been paid $63 per hour for the time and the time after 9 hours (12 hours after the first day.) I still have never been sent home after midnight my last day without being paid $1520 extra for the trouble. And I still keep getting these e-mails about upgrades meaning we are still growing, not losing 50% to CS yet??? (Just got a bid list for some 50 or so upgrades today.)

So, at least you aren't paying union dues for your big pay raise.....

 

[Guitar rocker]

Oh yah..CS mgmt "promised" the training on your days off is going away. Mmmmmm. Promises promises. Heard those many times before. Lets see how long it takes for that to happen.

 

[Turbinehead]

Perfect?

I still don't have insurance being taken out of my check. I still don't have to call in after 10 hours rest to get a new "adjusted" show time or else lose the brown shading on my nose. I still have never gone to training on my days off (I know, they promised it is going away.) I still have never flown a holiday without receiving $760 extra pay. I still have never started before 8 on my first day and not been paid $63 per hour for the time and the time after 9 hours (12 hours after the first day.) I still have never been sent home after midnight my last day without being paid $1520 extra for the trouble. And I still keep getting these e-mails about upgrades meaning we are still growing, not losing 50% to CS yet??? (Just got a bid list for some 50 or so upgrades today.)

So, at least you aren't paying union dues for your big pay raise.....

I must laugh at these Pilots. My contract is bigger than your contract silliness.

Let me ask you Netjets pilots this question: If your contract is so good, why did 308 pilots vote against it?

Why did you only get 867 bucks per month or whatever in retro pay? That is effing pathetic if you ask me. Why did your spokeswoman call the contract less than perfect to the press? If you ask me, in my humble opinon and wisdom of many hardships, your contract is nice. It is not perfect and it could be better.

So your contract might be bigger than theirs, but not by much. Neither of you pilot groups have much to bragg about. So please, cannot we go back to other topics? This is getting very old and boring.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I must laugh at these Pilots. My contract is bigger than your contract silliness.

Let me ask you Netjets pilots this question: If your contract is so good, why did 308 pilots vote against it?

Why did you only get 867 bucks per month or whatever in retro pay? That is effing pathetic if you ask me. Why did your spokeswoman call the contract less than perfect to the press? If you ask me, in my humble opinon and wisdom of many hardships, your contract is nice. It is not perfect and it could be better.

So your contract might be bigger than theirs, but not by much. Neither of you pilot groups have much to bragg about. So please, cannot we go back to other topics? This is getting very old and boring.

Come on dude, we could also ask why did 84% vote for it??? Theres always going to be no votes, just on principle alone.

This thread isnt about whose the best or not as far as I'm concerned..........for the CS kids, thats what it's all about though. We just have some immature kids here who cant acknowledge the fact that if it werent for NJA, they wouldnt have gotten a raise either. What about being grateful and thankful???

 

[JustInfo]

Loosen the turbine man, get some blood flow where it needs to be. I was not saying our contract is bigger than theirs, merely saying we are not paying union dues just for the pay raise, there is much more in the contract. Main point, it is in the CONTRACT in writing, not to be changed or taken away. Many Options pilots will tell you how good things used to be, and how many things are now being taken away with no recourse. No the contract ws not perfect for everyone, but 84% felt it was a big enough improvement to vote yes, and we get to re do this is 4 years to improve things again.

If this is old and boring, then why are you here reading it????

 

[Humphreybogart]

What is a rasie?

See Rocker, I tried to help you yesterday by bringing it to your attention. Also, I'm the one who should be using the term "Kid" in my statements, so Rocker, stop Bogarting my verbage. Here's yelling at you, Kid.

 

[XPGuy]

(yawn)

 

[netjetwife]

I'd have voted against the NJ contract based on my principal that ALL of the NJ pilots should receive professional wages that justify the sacrifices made by their families. I do agree that Retro wasn't paid up as owed, just a signing bonus that fell short, in my opinion. That said, there does come a point when you have to accept that the other side won't budge. Just don't tell my husband I conceded the point... I do think there was one more round to go before that point was reached, but I could see that most were satisfied enough to settle. It didn't help that the company was exhibiting an ugly "take it or leave it" attitude. My insight (from a front row seat) also recognized that the pilots had too much ground to make up due to the failure of the FAb 5 to organize and lead the good fight. As for the contract, as Bill Olsen is prone to say, "It is what it is"... a stepping stone to a brighter future for all Frac pilots.
NJW

PS XPGuy, I appreciate the kind words on the other thread. I forgot to thank you there.

 

[XPGuy]

My pleasure.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I must laugh at these Pilots. My contract is bigger than your contract silliness.

Let me ask you Netjets pilots this question: If your contract is so good, why did 308 pilots vote against it?

Why did you only get 867 bucks per month or whatever in retro pay? That is effing pathetic if you ask me. Why did your spokeswoman call the contract less than perfect to the press? If you ask me, in my humble opinon and wisdom of many hardships, your contract is nice. It is not perfect and it could be better.

So your contract might be bigger than theirs, but not by much. Neither of you pilot groups have much to bragg about. So please, cannot we go back to other topics? This is getting very old and boring.

Nobody is bragging about anything. It's an issue of unions and brothers/sisters. Something that you as being only a CFI and MEII have no understanding about.............pull your carb heat, watch the suction guage and move over to general where you belong.

 

[FRACTRASH]

GUITAR ROCKERon't you sound like a real Top Gun. You must be god's gift to aviation KID.

 

[Guitar rocker]

GUITAR ROCKERon't you sound like a real Top Gun. You must be god's gift to aviation KID.

No, I dont think that at all. I am not sure how you even can make such an assumption based on anything which I have said. On the contrary, you, bogart and rocky have blatently said that you guys are the "best," that your pilots are the "best" and that your service is "second to none." Now with those kind of statements in mind, I could clearly say that perhaps you and your pals are as you say, "gods gift to aviation." Really trash, when you have to sit there on your free time and think about who is the "best," your ego has the best of you. Someday that will be the least of your concerns. Perhaps in time you will see the light and be grateful to those who got what you have today.

You represent the minority of CS pilots. Those that I know who fly there are embarrassed (as I knew that they would be) by what you spout. I know it's impossible to be thankful and kind to us NJA guys and as Bogart said, "I will never thank an NJA pilot for my raise" .........and that sums it all up. But out of respect for just your own, maybe you ought to sing a different tune here.

 

[XPGuy]

Couldn't have said that any better... and now we got this "turbinehead" guy too - I'd love to be a moderator and compare the IP addresses of turbinehead to the other yahoos that call themselves CS pilots. They truly are an embarassment not only to their company, but our profession. But, it's fun to chew them up and spit them out every time they open their pie hole... they just keep pouring gasoline on the fire. Bring it. You expose yourself... and one of these days, a CS pilot is gonna be able to pin down WHO they are, and then through this board, every CS pilot in the fleet will know who it is that belches that foul crap and giving their pilots a black eye.

 

[Stitch626]

To all who are closed minded and think they know all there is to know about unions you are foolish not to even be willing to see / hear all your options. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! We are breaking new ground in our industry (fractional) being that it's still in it's infancy. The unions of yesterday are not the union of today but the basic rules of life still hold true. UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL! Let us forge our own futures together instead of having it dictated to us without a say in the matter. The questions now are, Are you intelligent enough to gather all the facts not hearsay to be able to make an informed decision? Are you capable of doing your own research and embracing change or are you going sit fat, dumb and happy?
Procrastination is the key to success! Do it and you will fail!

 

[acaTerry]

I bet Trash and bogart can't even tell us what the circling altitude at Teterhole is without looking it up.

Neither could I, but that doesn't change the fact that they are both IDIOTS!