No Union

[Humphreybogart]

Shut your hole fractrash. Nobody here likes you.

I like Fractrash.

Guitar Wannabe and Stickshaker, is it true that the big "bonus" you got was actually back pay? Is it true that NJ will only allow 3 overtime days per quater, and you only get paid for 2? This is what one of your pilots told me. I also ran into a couple more NJ people on the road that were commuting in on a Sunday, oh, that's right, your 7 and 7 schedule doesn't actually give you every other weekend off, you're commuting. How did the highly respectable management team at NJ pick the 5 domiciles it now offers pilots? I guess they threw darts at a map or something. All I know is the pay at CS is just slightly better than yours at NJ, but our quality of life is way better that yours. Yep, just looked at my latest paystub, and I am still paying NO union dues.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Yep, just looked at my stub no Union dues here either.

 

[Fozzy]

Let us deal in FACTS

I like Fractrash.

Guitar Wannabe and Stickshaker, is it true that the big "bonus" you got was actually back pay? Call it whatever you want. Does not matter. Is it true that NJ will only allow 3 overtime days per quater, and you only get paid for 2? Yes the first part is true. If on the 7n7 you can only get 3 extended days per quarter the rest MUST be taken as comp days. Not sure what the hell the pay for 2 means. You may have to go the grievance route, but that is life. Side note on this. I was for this language, I made mention to it in every survey. This ends the A-team cornering the market on Extended days. So this is a good thing. This is what one of your pilots told me. I also ran into a couple more NJ people on the road that were commuting in on a Sunday, oh, that's right, your 7 and 7 schedule doesn't actually give you every other weekend off, you're commuting. I commuted for 3.5 hears 4.5 hours each way, no more. Newhires may still have to commute. That is a topic for a different thread. I will have Sunday starts. I am very happy with that. I ACTUALLY WILL HAVE 7n7!. So I don't get the full weekend off. No matter. Everyone gets equal amounts of Saturday's and Sunday's off. My kids are not in school and my wife is stay at home. So for me it just does not matter. Oh ya, I could have held a weekday start. I am fairly junior but that Sunday start was my 2nd choice, it gives me Christmas off in 06. How did the highly respectable management team at NJ pick the 5 domiciles it now offers pilots? I guess they threw darts at a map or something. Ya this is how they make all their decissions. No surprise there. All I know is the pay at CS is just slightly better than yours at NJ, but our quality of life is way better that yours. WRONG. We work fewer days per year. At least 30 I beleive, 182 per year BEFORE vacation (182-14=168) How many do you work for that extra ONE grand. Hell, I make that in OT every 2 months. We get OT for holidays (1.5 *daily rate) and over 12 hours per day and before 8 am/after 9 hours on day one. We do not pay for medical. A very good 401K setup. 2 weeks vacation, 3 weeks after year 5. We don't go to training on our days off. Yep, just looked at my latest paystub, and I am still paying NO union dues. And that will be your undoing.

Let us deal in facts.

 

[bluepost]

Yep, just looked at my stub no Union dues here either.

Just looked at my 2 week stub and saw Union dues....right above that was $1053 in HOURLY OT...that was for one 2 week period...I'm over $700 for this tour also, not counting my $760 in Holiday pay. This tour alone I see over $1400 that a CS pilot wouldn't get....I also don't see any line where they took out medical.

Don't get into a who makes more contest. Published NJA scales don't include about 13k in holiday and OT pay...not counting free medical and decent 401k.

I am happy for CS pilots and am glad they got a raise, but how dare you go out and brag about not having a union. I know for a fact that CS pilots were getting ZERO before the TA came out. Textron came back and asked for a revision to the pilot compensation package "in light of the Netjets contract".

Don't choke on one of your 3 box lunch choices

 

[FRACTRASH]

I believe we work 178 days a year, big deal. we also get 1.5 times daily rate for OT, with no limit on how many days we can work. we get 2 weeks for now after 5 years which equals 6 weeks off, because you get the hole week before and after each week. Training on your days on was included in the 178 days a year and yes that is changing this year, so we should be somewhere around 168 days a year as well. as, for medical I don't know because I have mine through my wife. The 12 hour a day pay would be worth it if you get abused. It's rare we work more than that in a day. The rest you can find on the internet I'm sure.

 

[FRACTRASH]

I hope the above information will help anyone thinking about coming to CS.

 

[FRACTRASH]

If you don't want to stay home much, I know someone who worked 50 days of OT last year. If you want to work hard you can bring down some serious cash.

 

[ProFracPilot]

we get 2 weeks for now after 5 years which equals 6 weeks off, because you get the hole week before and after each week. Training on your days on was included in the 178 days a year and yes that is changing this year, so we should be somewhere around 168 days a year as well.

FT-

As I'm sure you realize, you are mixing issues. Days off BETWEEN tours of duty are NOT part of vacation. Yes, due to the rotating schedule that is a part of fractional operations there is an extended period of time off when one takes vacation that has been EARNED. But the days off on either side of that period of time are NOT vacation. To try and sell it as such is improper and unjust.

Training is scheduled, required company work. To be required to perform company duties during scheduled time off is also improper, and it dilutes compensation unfairly.

With their payraise (it does NOT match NJ), CS has done what it had to do to stem the inevitable rush of pilots to NJ. I don't believe they're at risk of any real organizing attempt anytime soon (although more pilots than you're willing to admit would welcome it). Options, on the other hand, is about to roll out a compensation package that will attempt to both stop the gross hemorraging of pilots AND stave off a "yes" union vote. It will be too little, too late for both. We're already understaffed and losing more every week. This, compbined with the fact that management has lost focus on the value of their pilots, a "yes" vote for a union is now inevitable.

Your flamebaiting has worn thin. Enjoy your "raise".

Pfp

 

[dime line]

It's rare we work more than that in a day

FRAC what are you smokin

 

[JustInfo]

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[Diesel]

at nj 5 years 3 weeks of vacation...

 

[XPGuy]

FRACTRASH's last job was flipping burgers at McDonald's while he flight instructed on the side... of course he thinks his job is "the best".

He hasn't read the Net Jets contract, or he wouldn't be talking out of his a ss like he is... Just the free medical alone puts NJA over CS in pay, and that doesn't count all the bonuses and the grievances you guys get.

Just ignore him and maybe he'll go away.


LOCAL 1108 is coming to Options, and not soon enough!

 

[netjetwife]

I hope the above information will help anyone thinking about coming to CS.

I should think it would! No medical?! That's a serious drawback with today's high cost of health care. No problem for you, though-you're covered. What about those many other pilots who wouldn't be and who may well have a family that depends on the pilot's job providing health insurance? I find such a selfish attitude deplorable. It ranks right up there with your offensive choice for a posting name. Fractrash?! Is that what you think of the industry in general, or just the pilots who fly the planes? It could be an indicator that you are not the pilot you claim to be.

To all other CS pilots: I'm happy for those of you that are satisfied with the status quo. That said, I echo the NJ pilots reminders that you owe your recent payraise to them. This isn't bragging. All the NJ pilots and their families know that it was a joint effort. We're just trying to make sure that the concept of a union is given the credit it deserves. If your situation works for you, fine. But please don't put down others who don't have it as good and are only trying to improve their situation using the only real leverage they have. If you have it as great as you say you do, you can afford to be generous, right? So why not cheer them on? Can't you see that raising the standards industry wide will benefit everyone? When all of the other frac companies have health care (to give one example) as part of the compensation package, CS will have to match that offer just as they were compelled to raise your pay when the NJ pilots got their new contract.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I should think it would! No medical?! That's a serious drawback with today's high cost of health care. No problem for you, though-you're covered. What about those many other pilots who wouldn't be and who may well have a family that depends on the pilot's job providing health insurance? I find such a selfish attitude deplorable. It ranks right up there with your offensive choice for a posting name. Fractrash?! Is that what you think of the industry in general, or just the pilots who fly the planes? It could be an indicator that you are not the pilot you claim to be.

To all other CS pilots: I'm happy for those of you that are satisfied with the status quo. That said, I echo the NJ pilots reminders that you owe your recent payraise to them. This isn't bragging. All the NJ pilots and their families know that it was a joint effort. We're just trying to make sure that the concept of a union is given the credit it deserves. If your situation works for you, fine. But please don't put down others who don't have it as good and are only trying to improve their situation using the only real leverage they have. If you have it as great as you say you do, you can afford to be generous, right? So why not cheer them on? Can't you see that raising the standards industry wide will benefit everyone? When all of the other frac companies have health care (to give one example) as part of the compensation package, CS will have to match that offer just as they were compelled to raise your pay when the NJ pilots got their new contract.

Well said NJwife! These 3 are clearly ungrateful and think that they got their pay raise because as a result of being the "best" and that they "deserved" it. That is all incorrect, as NJ wife pointed out guys, you got it because of NJA pilots and our UNION, period. This seems to be a difficult concept to get through their thick heads though. Nobody here is trying to shove unions down your throat rocky, bogart and fractrash. People have simply pointed out the benefits of a union here and why it's needed and what it has done for us, most importantly that our pilots stuck together and showed support for one another over the course of these last 4 years (that brotherhood is clearly lacking with you 3).

You guys try to dig at the negatives of a union and then compare our union to Deltas union (specifically how Deltas union has "screwed" their pilots over as you say).........what a poor comaprison. Additionally, you guys suggest that as a result of our union, our customer service has fallen and that yours is "second to none." Cheap shots are cute, but guys, your REALLY digging here. If you want to complain about our union, find something that is applicable instead of useless and meaningless.

All too often we run into cocky, arrogant, ego filled and ungrateful youngsters such as yourselves. What would be really nice from rocky, bogart and fractrash is a show of respect, appreciation, gratefulness and a THANKS to the NJA pilots and our union. Lets see if you guys have the guts and RESPECT do that right here and perhaps we will think more kindly of you. Heres your chance.

 

[FLYLOW22]

It's not worth it dude.

We know why things changed.

We have pay AND working condiditons.

Without fighting, the others can only hope for somewhat comensurate pay withj mediocre working conditions.

Soft compensation is hard to quantify and even harder to enforce without a Union.

Not our loss.

 

[TORCH67]

Anybody willing to give "Trash" a letter of rec when CS starts laying off pilots. Then again he was probably turned down by Netjets to start with! That would explain the attitude he is dropping here! Do you really think he would vomit this crap out of his mouth in person? It's easy to hide behind a msg board with an anonymous name. Take the source into account when judging the non-facts. I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first, but no more!:uzi:

 

[FRACTRASH]

About 90% of the people on this board wouldn't talk like this face to face.

 

[FRACTRASH]

TORCH67: I can assure you I never got turned down at NJ, but if that makes you feel better, than good for you.

 

[TORCH67]

I knew it wouldnt take you long to answer! You chose to work for CS, you have to live with it! Good Luck!

 

[Guitar rocker]

About 90% of the people on this board wouldn't talk like this face to face.

Like torch said, YOU are one of those 90%. YOU are also in mgmt and you dont want a union on the property for the simple reason that you want the power to run your pilots like crazy without adhering to any rules. When you start doing that, think twice and remember where you came from too.