No More ASA

[777forever]

One other note: the no furlough clause is worthless.

If the no furlough clause is worthless why did they end the furlough cut precisely where the last person protected was at the bottom? Do you believe they would have furloughed exactly 56 if there wasn't a furlough clause?

I'm not saying the clause will work forever or hell even past this spring, but to me saying the clause is "worthless" means the company would have acted like its not even there and furloughed to their satisfaction.

 

[jdubya]

I concede you are correct in that it has worked, but only to a point. But depending on conditions, it can't work forever. Hopefully it won't come to that.

 

[outtahere]

Guys like this are the reason the Pinnacle TA will pass. They are told by management its this or close the doors, yet when people say "close the doors" they never close. Yet guys like this one will vote anything in just to save a good company. I hate flying with people that say stuff like this for a whole four day, even after you tell them to shut up, they just can't stop.

Tell ya what you little dick wad, try to tell me to shut up on a four day why don't you. I'm assuming you are an fo, I look forward to hearing it. If you knew me, you would know that I never do anything I don't believe in. What I'm saying is, we need to be vigilant with our management, all of you holding hands with them, and singing Kumbaya, have had the wool pulled over your eyes. Sure, Brads a good guy, but he does what he's told, Jerry is the one doing the telling. So you go ahead and lick his balls, and when you tell me to shut up on our four day, I'll believe you actually have some of your own.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Guys like this are the reason the Pinnacle TA will pass. They are told by management its this or close the doors, yet when people say "close the doors" they never close. Yet guys like this one will vote anything in just to save a good company. I hate flying with people that say stuff like this for a whole four day, even after you tell them to shut up, they just can't stop.

Well, Pinnacle pilots would be stupid to not vote it in. It will guarantee more flying from Delta.

Boys, we screwed ourselves with our contract. Our competition can easily under-cut us, and will continue to get more flying.

For those of you who think costs don't matter, watch out if that Pinnacle pile of crap passes. We are going to be in a world of hurt.

 

[jdubya]

Did the ASA contract have some kind of cost benchmarks and what is the status on those relating to the original posting.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well, Pinnacle pilots would be stupid to not vote it in. It will guarantee more flying from Delta.

Boys, we screwed ourselves with our contract. Our competition can easily under-cut us, and will continue to get more flying.

For those of you who think costs don't matter, watch out if that Pinnacle pile of crap passes. We are going to be in a world of hurt.

It will pass...and we are in a world of hurt...Other pilot groups are doing what is best for them...We need to do the same...

For the past 25+ years, ALPA has screwed the pooch on the issue of scope and bidding against one another for flying....That horse left the barn years ago....You can either play the game now, or not play....If you don't play, you aren't really going to like the results....

 

[GeekMaster]

I DO NOT BELIEVE THE SKY IS FALLING!!! However, that said, we have needed for quite some time to realize that our cost DOES MATTER. Pinnacle's contract just happened to be the nail that finally drove it home for some of those with solid Oak noggins.

ASA doesn't necessarily have to "go away". It's up to us to stay as long as we want. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO START WRITING CHECKS TO KEEP OUR JOBS EITHER! What we DO need to do is start looking at real and genuine ways to make ourselves more cost competitive while maintaining our QOL and income level. YES IT'S POSSIBLE! I hate PBS, but it will reduce our cost by around 7-8%. If negotiated properly, our QOL will remain about the same. Vacation will change, but there are ways to maintain quality there too.

There are lots of things we can do to improve our situation. The problem is that it means changing the way we think; a tough nut to crack for some of the hardcores.

Is that the wind of change I feel?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Many of you are familiar with acl65pilot. He was a former ASA pilot and current Delta pilot. Regardless of what you think of him, he does have some insight to how things are going in Delta land....This quote of his on "the other board" is interesting....There is a big push to put Compass on the Delta list, but he thinks there is a good reason now to wait...That reason is to put pressure on the rest of the DCI carriers to lower costs.

Despite all the talk of "unity" and "the profession"....the fact is, everyone is looking out for themselves....


Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Bar; did a little bit, but in a nut shell there is not enough credit out there to get some airlines though the winter months. I see a few airlines shrinking to survive.

You want guys that are going to fix the problems, IMHO you need guys that are going to listen to you, listen to multiple options and make an informed decision. There is one way to fix a lot of our ills and that is with UNITY. With unity comes the fact that to solve this the group needs to better educate itself, and come up with a idea (s) that work for all of us. Single source ideas often never pass the error check.

As for CPS. There may be some real genius in keeping them off the property. I hate to say it, but I see it. It has to do with all of the other DCI carriers needed to be in the bottom two of cost. Well, CPS is the cheapest, so it only leave one other that is in compliance at the five year mark.

 

[outtahere]

I'm getting out! The first descent opportunity that presents itself, I'm gone. No longer will I play to be the lowest bidder. The only thing that will stop all of this sh!t is a lack of pilots, and I'm gonna help by exiting asap. ASA, and skywest had better start thinking about retention, especially if this ATP thing passes. It's time to call a spade a spade, ASA is done because we won't sell out. Oh well, I'd rather be unemployed than be a sell out, and have to live with that the rest of my life. I'm worth a descent wage, and so are the rest of you. It's time to realize that.

 

[crj567]

I'm getting out! The first descent opportunity that presents itself, I'm gone. No longer will I play to be the lowest bidder. The only thing that will stop all of this sh!t is a lack of pilots, and I'm gonna help by exiting asap. ASA, and skywest had better start thinking about retention, especially if this ATP thing passes. It's time to call a spade a spade, ASA is done because we won't sell out. Oh well, I'd rather be unemployed than be a sell out, and have to live with that the rest of my life. I'm worth a descent wage, and so are the rest of you. It's time to realize that.

-Decent job.... First Decent opportunity.... Decent luck to you, sir.

(You will not be missed.)
-Just a Decent guess.

 

[outtahere]

-Decent job.... First Decent opportunity.... Decent luck to you, sir.

(You will not be missed.)
-Just a Decent guess.

Guess you are a sell out. Not surprising really, you're from Texas after all.

 

[crj567]

Guess you are a sell out. Not surprising really, you're from Texas after all.

Decent guess.....

 

[amcnd]

Just a FYI SkyWest is flying 200 out of ATL in SEP. but our 900 flying goes way down in ATL in SEP also.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Tell ya what you little dick wad, try to tell me to shut up on a four day why don't you. I'm assuming you are an fo, I look forward to hearing it. If you knew me, you would know that I never do anything I don't believe in. What I'm saying is, we need to be vigilant with our management, all of you holding hands with them, and singing Kumbaya, have had the wool pulled over your eyes. Sure, Brads a good guy, but he does what he's told, Jerry is the one doing the telling. So you go ahead and lick his balls, and when you tell me to shut up on our four day, I'll believe you actually have some of your own.

I know JA and BH, and I don't think either of them are your "problem"... if ASA is performing up to snuff and profitable then they wouldn't even think about phasing it out(or whatever it is you're suggesting).

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I'm getting out! The first descent opportunity that presents itself, I'm gone. No longer will I play to be the lowest bidder. The only thing that will stop all of this sh!t is a lack of pilots, and I'm gonna help by exiting asap. ASA, and skywest had better start thinking about retention, especially if this ATP thing passes. It's time to call a spade a spade, ASA is done because we won't sell out. Oh well, I'd rather be unemployed than be a sell out, and have to live with that the rest of my life. I'm worth a descent wage, and so are the rest of you. It's time to realize that.

Thank you. Finally someone with some honor. You, sir, realize that if you aren't happy, you should leave.

Thank you for having integrity.