No More ASA

[Texx]

for those who haven't heard, the local faa is currently out for blood on this issue, so you need to write up broken airplanes for their sake.

that being said, this isn't yesterday's asa. Things are not as bad as you fear. All delta flying is down about 10%; asa's flying is down about 10%. The sky is not falling. When the economy eventually rebounds and the public starts demanding more flying, we will be okay. Burning the place down is the worst thing we could do now. Relax and go get yourself a beer.

ding ding ding we have a dead on winner!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The only way EV is going anywhere is if SKW allows DAL to amend their contract. EV is shrinking to 500 flights a day this fall. It sucks, but I am sure that if EV goes anywhere it will be in to a merged group with SKW.

 

[USCtrojan]

The only way EV is going anywhere is if SKW allows DAL to amend their contract. EV is shrinking to 500 flights a day this fall. It sucks, but I am sure that if EV goes anywhere it will be in to a merged group with SKW.

If this is the case (merger), I would suspect United is going out of business...

Trojan

 

[SPDBRD747400]

I think they mean actual loss/gain of current planes (ie ATRs, 900s). And, as for accidents, ASA actually has lost 3 planes (all E120s). remember the E120 down in Brazil?

Also we have lost a/c N706EV sitting in BTR never to fly again so that's a net loss of 3...It was never replaced although we were told it would. SH said numerous times they were trying to source one, mainly from Horizon (that didn't happen) and if not then they would ask DL for an additional -900 instead and that didn't happen either.

 

[79%N1]

The sooner you accept the fact that regionals exist at the will of their trunk carriers, the sooner you will accept the month to month fluctuations in your airline's flying. A regional pilot group cannot control its destiny in regards to what flying it gets from its trunk carrier; therefore, pilots should not get upset when airplanes and routes come and go. Instead, they should make the decision to stay and accept the changes or they should leave. Either way Delta will keep adjusting the DCI flying to best suit their needs.

Ok genius.......just where would you have us all go since the obvious smart move is to just move on from these Regionals so we can control our fates????
Hmmm. Let's think. I choose American. Wait, no. They aren't hiring and haven't for years! Well, then of course Delta is a great choice. No, they aren't hiring either. Darn. Well then surely United will get me out of here so I no longer need to worry about my job security! What? Furloughs there too. Now what? Surely I can jump on to Continental. Not them either? How about Usairways? Southwest? Maybe Fedex, UPS, Spirit, Midwest, Alaska?!?! Darn. Not many choices for us guys! Maybe we have a right to worry about our jobs and livings and careers and we don't need lectures from you.
Worry about yourself, thanks.

 

[outtahere]

The only way EV is going anywhere is if SKW allows DAL to amend their contract. EV is shrinking to 500 flights a day this fall. It sucks, but I am sure that if EV goes anywhere it will be in to a merged group with SKW.

So if I'm Jerry, and I know that I need to merge my two airlines, but gosh, I really don't want any unions {I'm Morman after all} and my guys have voted one down three times! What do I do? Well, I can shrink the airline with the union, and destroy their gumption, all the while awarding my non-union morman brothers in Christ! Now when I merge the two together I'll have 3000 happy non-union pilots against 1000 unhappy union pilots! Now I don't have to worry about that pesky union any more.

Are yall finally starting to see the picture a little clearer? And Texx, I'm starting to think you are management, If all of these guys are going to be offline in November, why do we need red arrow days for them to go to training in September? We have been told repeatedly that come September there would be very few red arrow days, 17 is not very few.

 

[ace6453]

Are yall finally starting to see the picture a little clearer? And Texx, I'm starting to think you are management, If all of these guys are going to be offline in November, why do we need red arrow days for them to go to training in September? We have been told repeatedly that come September there would be very few red arrow days, 17 is not very few.

Exactly! Why the hell are there this many red arrow days in Sept. I understand why f/o's have several, but that will improve when the captains that are downgraded come over, however how the heck do captains have 17 red arrow days? We were told that Sept was the slowest month also........

 

[cessnamann]

The only way EV is going anywhere is if SKW allows DAL to amend their contract. EV is shrinking to 500 flights a day this fall. It sucks, but I am sure that if EV goes anywhere it will be in to a merged group with SKW.

You always make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[Tarzan]

So if I'm Jerry, and I know that I need to merge my two airlines, but gosh, I really don't want any unions {I'm Morman after all} and my guys have voted one down three times! What do I do? Well, I can shrink the airline with the union, and destroy their gumption, all the while awarding my non-union morman brothers in Christ! Now when I merge the two together I'll have 3000 happy non-union pilots against 1000 unhappy union pilots! Now I don't have to worry about that pesky union any more.

Are yall finally starting to see the picture a little clearer? And Texx, I'm starting to think you are management, If all of these guys are going to be offline in November, why do we need red arrow days for them to go to training in September? We have been told repeatedly that come September there would be very few red arrow days, 17 is not very few.

I've believed this for some time now. I have to figure, you are closer to the truth than many would believe.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I've believed this for some time now. I have to figure, you are closer to the truth than many would believe.

It only makes sense...That is what I would do too.....

 

[ohplease!]

So if I'm Jerry, and I know that I need to merge my two airlines, but gosh, I really don't want any unions {I'm Morman after all} and my guys have voted one down three times! What do I do? Well, I can shrink the airline with the union, and destroy their gumption, all the while awarding my non-union morman brothers in Christ! Now when I merge the two together I'll have 3000 happy non-union pilots against 1000 unhappy union pilots! Now I don't have to worry about that pesky union any more.

Are yall finally starting to see the picture a little clearer? .

Not going to happen. If it were, it would already have been done. There are MANY of us who'd have "transfered" to SkyW long ago if only we'd have been offered the opportunity to make the move at the same relative seniority.

All Jerry has to do is make the offer and then transfer the associated number of aircraft to SkyW. Say, all 700's & 900's and TADA! He's got the planes that are NOT going to be phased out PLUS the part of the pilot group that wants to free themselves from the debacle that has become alpa....one big happy family. Hell, alpa is threatening to FIRE a bunch of us for THEIR screwup anyway (I didn't get one of the threat letters from MY union "brothers"...I made sure to pay my EXTORTION payments).

Lets see, what would be the down side....

17 bases vs. 1 (sure would hate to be able to live someplace other than ATL)
multiple carrier flying
same pay for flying 700&900 (oops! already do that)
"growth" vs. furlough (hmm)
PBS (oops! gonna get it anyway)
Single management (save $$)
etc....etc.....etc....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Not going to happen. If it were, it would already have been done. There are MANY of us who'd have "transfered" to SkyW long ago if only we'd have been offered the opportunity to make the move at the same relative seniority.

All Jerry has to do is make the offer and then transfer the associated number of aircraft to SkyW. Say, all 700's & 900's and TADA! He's got the planes that are NOT going to be phased out PLUS the part of the pilot group that wants to free themselves from the debacle that has become alpa....one big happy family. Hell, alpa is threatening to FIRE a bunch of us for THEIR screwup anyway (I didn't get one of the threat letters from MY union "brothers"...I made sure to pay my EXTORTION payments).

Lets see, what would be the down side....

17 bases vs. 1 (sure would hate to be able to live someplace other than ATL)
multiple carrier flying
same pay for flying 700&900 (oops! already do that)
"growth" vs. furlough (hmm)
PBS (oops! gonna get it anyway)
Single management (save $$)
etc....etc.....etc....

Ohplease....I think you might be onto something here...

What if hundreds of ASA pilots petitioned Skywest management to transfer ASA airplanes to Skywest so that we could come over to the Skywest side and shed ourselves of ALPA....Wouldn't that cause a stir....

 

[ohplease!]

Ohplease....I think you might be onto something here...

What if hundreds of ASA pilots petitioned Skywest management to transfer ASA airplanes to Skywest so that we could come over to the Skywest side and shed ourselves of ALPA....Wouldn't that cause a stir....

show me a negative....

oh yeah, I forgot to add this to my "negatives list": NOT paying 2% extortion (protection) payments.

and HEY! here's a real positive for alpa: they don't have to give us more than we pay in...what a relief for them. No more blood suckers drawing off the "public" tit.

See, we can have a win-win here.

 

[JoeMerchant]

show me a negative....

oh yeah, I forgot to add this to my "negatives list": NOT paying 2% extortion (protection) payments.

and HEY! here's a real positive for alpa: they don't have to give us more than we pay in...what a relief for them. No more blood suckers drawing off the "public" tit.

See, we can have a win-win here.

:beer:

 

[ohplease!]

actually, there may be another upside to this scenario.... ASA's public perception has historically been pretty dismal. Maybe a fresh veneer (SkyW) would give us a better public appeal to go along with our significantly better performance of late....ala Valujet/Airtran

 

[Tarzan]

There is still an operational need for separate certificates. It does appear this may be in the process of being diminished. Along with separate certificates comes independent scheduling, operations, etc. I would believe there is a plan to generate some continuity here along with the training which would be a large cost to standardize. This may be a large stumbling block to overcome at this time with the amount of money invested in ASA to bring it up to par operationally.

 

[FORESTGUMP]

There is still an operational need for separate certificates. It does appear this may be in the process of being diminished. Along with separate certificates comes independent scheduling, operations, etc. I would believe there is a plan to generate some continuity here along with the training which would be a large cost to standardize. This may be a large stumbling block to overcome at this time with the amount of money invested in ASA to bring it up to par operationally.

there still would be seperate certs. all the ALPA folks could stay at ASA and all those in faver of joining Sky West could go over. that would leave it much as it is now only better.

 

[Speedtape]

there still would be seperate certs. all the ALPA folks could stay at ASA and all those in faver of joining Sky West could go over. that would leave it much as it is now only better.

Do you believe in Santa Claus, Fair tales, and the Easter Bunny?

They may bring you over, but after an interview, and then you would be on the bottom of the list.

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Do you believe in Santa Claus, Fair tales, and the Easter Bunny?

They may bring you over, but after an interview, and then you would be on the bottom of the list.

actually I do. are you trying to say they don't exist?

 

[ohplease!]

Do you believe in Santa Claus, Fair tales, and the Easter Bunny?

They may bring you over, but after an interview, and then you would be on the bottom of the list.

Now there's a great come back argument....

I'm guessing you have the inside knowledge to be sure it would take an "interview" and put you at the bottom......my man! I wish I was half a smart as you alpa guys.