No More ASA

[JustaNumber]

Well, we start negotiating again in May, so those of you carting around broke airplanes with out writing them up better get your pencils sharpened, because you need to be consistant when the contract is long expired.

For those who haven't heard, the local FAA is currently out for blood on this issue, so you need to write up broken airplanes for their sake.

That being said, this isn't yesterday's ASA. Things are not as bad as you fear. All Delta flying is down about 10%; ASA's flying is down about 10%. The sky is not falling. When the economy eventually rebounds and the public starts demanding more flying, we will be okay. Burning the place down is the worst thing we could do now. Relax and go get yourself a beer.

 

[ultrarunner]

Sorry to say it guys, but I believe ASA is on the way out.........................

Note to self:

Quit reading about folks worrying about stuff they have absolutely NO control over....

Ahhh....

ok, back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[outtahere]

Not one time in my post did I mention burn the place down, I don't want that. However, I do expect my company to treat me as a professional, and to follow the contract that they signed in good faith. Please don't think for a second however, that if it is more profitable for Skywest to shrink ASA and then absorb what is left over into Skywest airlines that they won't do it. We are not your run of the mill sweatshop regional, and I don't want to be, that will be our undoing though. In my opinion, I would rather ASA disappear than subject ourselves to a contract like Pinnacle or Mesa, we are all better than that.

 

[ohplease!]

Not one time in my post did I mention burn the place down, I don't want that. However, I do expect my company to treat me as a professional, and to follow the contract that they signed in good faith. Please don't think for a second however, that if it is more profitable for Skywest to shrink ASA and then absorb what is left over into Skywest airlines that they won't do it. We are not your run of the mill sweatshop regional, and I don't want to be, that will be our undoing though. In my opinion, I would rather ASA disappear than subject ourselves to a contract like Pinnacle or Mesa, we are all better than that.

maybe not but you did say you were getting out....so, shut up and leave. don't go away mad, just go away. afterall, the economy is booming and the unemployment rate is at an all new historical low and companies are walking around door-to-door offering unqualified people jobs with starting pay rates OVER $100K! man! this is the time for your move....go for it....jump in with both feet....don't worry, you'll be fine!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Who's flying around with broken airplanes? Not me.

If the plane breaks, I write it up. If it happens in ATL, I write it up. If it happens at an outstation, I write it up.

I've had guys get off a plane in ATL before and tell me about something that wasn't working quite right. When I found out they didn't notify MX about it, I put it in the logbook for them.

We have received numerous emails from the company about what is expected of us in this regard. If it is broken, write it up. Deal with outstation MX if needed, or defer the item with the help of MX Control and your DX. It's pretty straight forward. You are the PIC, and thus have a responsibility to your passengers and your crew to make sure they are flying on a safe airplane.

 

[Freebrd]

outtahere[/B];1866041] However, I do expect my company to treat me as a professional, and to follow the contract that they signed in good faith. .

thought you were leaving, so go already will you, you're all talk, you won't leave

 

[GeekMaster]

Not one time in my post did I mention burn the place down, I don't want that. However, I do expect my company to treat me as a professional, and to follow the contract that they signed in good faith. Please don't think for a second however, that if it is more profitable for Skywest to shrink ASA and then absorb what is left over into Skywest airlines that they won't do it. We are not your run of the mill sweatshop regional, and I don't want to be, that will be our undoing though. In my opinion, I would rather ASA disappear than subject ourselves to a contract like Pinnacle or Mesa, we are all better than that.

Ok we're making progress here. This post represents much softer edges than the harshness of your original post.

SOOO let's look at it. First question then: Instead of having ASA "disappear", do you think there's a chance we could first look at totally different ideas that would protect our incomes and quality of life while at the same time lowering our total cost? Be open minded. We're looking for solutions, not mindless complaints.

Do you at least see the potential that if we became the regional airline with the best bang for the buck (not necessarily the absolute cheapest) then we would become the "go to" choice? Remember, Skywest Inc NEEDS at least two different divisions in order to deal with no compete clauses among its mainline customers.

I don't know how long you've been here, but all and all, we are treated very well overall at ASA. Yes we need to resolve this red arrow issue and the grievance is moving along. I agree WITH YOU in that we don't want to become a Mesa or Pinnacle. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT BEING TREATED BADLY IS until you look at the life of a MESA pilot. (mesa sucks)

So final question: If an acceptable solution is found, would you still rather "walk away at the next decent opportunity" or hang around and make it better?

 

[outtahere]

Ok we're making progress here. This post represents much softer edges than the harshness of your original post.

SOOO let's look at it. First question then: Instead of having ASA "disappear", do you think there's a chance we could first look at totally different ideas that would protect our incomes and quality of life while at the same time lowering our total cost? Be open minded. We're looking for solutions, not mindless complaints.

Do you at least see the potential that if we became the regional airline with the best bang for the buck (not necessarily the absolute cheapest) then we would become the "go to" choice? Remember, Skywest Inc NEEDS at least two different divisions in order to deal with no compete clauses among its mainline customers.

I don't know how long you've been here, but all and all, we are treated very well overall at ASA. Yes we need to resolve this red arrow issue and the grievance is moving along. I agree WITH YOU in that we don't want to become a Mesa or Pinnacle. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT BEING TREATED BADLY IS until you look at the life of a MESA pilot. (mesa sucks)

So final question: If an acceptable solution is found, would you still rather "walk away at the next decent opportunity" or hang around and make it better?

I'll still leave because as soon as the pilot shortage starts, everyone will be doing four days with twelve off, and getting extended after every trip. It won't matter if you have in one year or twenty, that is our future. The regional industry is never going to change. I've heard through the grapevine that the rest of fall and winter are going to be red arrowed out because the company is afraid of swine flu causing alot of sick calls. Wake up guys! Skywest will be here in force by the winter, and we will still be shrinking.

 

[GeekMaster]

I'll still leave because as soon as the pilot shortage starts, everyone will be doing four days with twelve off, and getting extended after every trip. It won't matter if you have in one year or twenty, that is our future. The regional industry is never going to change. I've heard through the grapevine that the rest of fall and winter are going to be red arrowed out because the company is afraid of swine flu causing alot of sick calls. Wake up guys! Skywest will be here in force by the winter, and we will still be shrinking.

Ok then I sincerely wish you best of luck. I will add that once you do, you'll learn a little more about the industry itself. You will learn, when you get to Delta or Continental our wherever you're going, that you will encounter the same issues. Simply put, in this brave new world of the airline industry, front line employees are no longer considered an asset. They are a liability. Even at the majors, they've endured furloughs, pay cuts, tighter work rule adjustments and many other downward pressures. IT WILL BE THE SAME CIRCUS WITH DIFFERENT CLOWNS!

I notice you didn't hold onto your original sentiment that ASA would "disappear". That's an improvement. Hopefully, you've also (openly or privately) let go of the "become a man/stand up for yourself" martyrdom approach to fixing things here. Do we agree on that will accomplish nothing?

In the meantime the rest of us will hopefully open our minds on new ideas to compete and improve our already decent jobs.

 

[Freebrd]

I've heard through the grapevine that the rest of fall and winter are going to be red arrowed out because the company is afraid of swine flu causing alot of sick calls. Wake up guys! Skywest will be here in force by the winter, and we will still be shrinking.

did your 'grapevine' also tell you that the skywest crews can/will get the flu too? man you are one paranoid fella. if I were you I'd git right now, LEAVE!