No More ASA

[ohplease!]

Do you believe in Santa Claus, Fair tales, and the Easter Bunny?

They may bring you over, but after an interview, and then you would be on the bottom of the list.

....and BTW, Santa DOES exist! OBAMA is in the hood handing out free cash for this that and the other thing and he's so PRO union that none of us will ever have to worry again 'cause "we're taking it back"! yea!!!
talk about fairy tales.....

 

[FORESTGUMP]

word!imp:

 

[Tarzan]

They may bring you over, but after an interview, and then you would be on the bottom of the list.

What happens if that changes?

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Ok genius.......just where would you have us all go since the obvious smart move is to just move on from these Regionals so we can control our fates????
Hmmm. Let's think. I choose American. Wait, no. They aren't hiring and haven't for years! Well, then of course Delta is a great choice. No, they aren't hiring either. Darn. Well then surely United will get me out of here so I no longer need to worry about my job security! What? Furloughs there too. Now what? Surely I can jump on to Continental. Not them either? How about Usairways? Southwest? Maybe Fedex, UPS, Spirit, Midwest, Alaska?!?! Darn. Not many choices for us guys! Maybe we have a right to worry about our jobs and livings and careers and we don't need lectures from you.
Worry about yourself, thanks.

It took me a long time in the regionals before I got the opportunity to leave. When it came, I took it. I am merely suggesting that until that time comes, you would be better served by accepting the role of the regional carrier instead of whining about it all the time...genius.

Everyone has a right to worry. What is occuring here is people getting upset about the month to month fluctuations in service combined with a lousy revenue environment for everyone. Accept that your role is to feed Delta and wait for your opportunity to leave should you choose. If you choose to stay, then you should also accept that these changes will continue to occur through your entire career and you have no control over said changes.

 

[USCtrojan]

There is still an operational need for separate certificates. It does appear this may be in the process of being diminished. Along with separate certificates comes independent scheduling, operations, etc. I would believe there is a plan to generate some continuity here along with the training which would be a large cost to standardize. This may be a large stumbling block to overcome at this time with the amount of money invested in ASA to bring it up to par operationally.

SkyWest Airlines is initiating AQP training beginning October 1st, 2009. I know ASA is going to initiate it, but I believe it will come 1st Qtr 2010. All Maintenance processes have been aligned...What's next IS training (AQP allows for 2 sims every 9 mo. vs. 3 per year ASA has now...Saves lots of $$ over a few short years.) And then the biggie...Flight Operations... a la PBS. This appears to have been in the works as we get more and more inline with St. George....

Trojan

 

[Max Q]

Delta's role is to be fed by regionals.

It maka da world go rounda.

 

[buscap]

All I gotta say is; show me a deal in writing and then we'll talk. Right now it's all blah blah blah freakin blah.

If it were better for Skywest Inc. for us to be one list, we would be. It's that simple. Until it works out that way, we will be separate. And then, when they come and make me the offer, I will apply the same logic.

For now, ALPA at ASA is the best deal for me. Show me the money!!!

(Money being many more things than cash, from QOL to national level professional activism) Hard to put a dollar on those, so Jerry better buck up big or dig in for a down and dirty.

Not my first rodeo beeeeoooootttccchhhh!!!

 

[WWEfan]

Delta's role is to be fed by regionals.

It maka da world go rounda.

Delta may soon be a name only which will be operated by the DCI portfolio. Just keep relaxing that scope and see how big our planes get and how far our range is.

 

[Texx]

And Texx, I'm starting to think you are management, If all of these guys are going to be offline in November, why do we need red arrow days for them to go to training in September? We have been told repeatedly that come September there would be very few red arrow days, 17 is not very few.

Management! HAHAHA

Stick with me here. Sept you have INSTR flying as FOs, they are going to start pulling CPTs that are being displaced off line to train as FOs. They know that CPTs will pick up time to cover some of the open time. In Nov comes a cut in block time, for all DCIs meaning that will balance out most of the need of CPTs reducing the red arrow days.

management HAHAHAHAH

 

[Abernathy]

Ohplease....I think you might be onto something here...

What if hundreds of ASA pilots petitioned Skywest management to transfer ASA airplanes to Skywest so that we could come over to the Skywest side and shed ourselves of ALPA....Wouldn't that cause a stir....

We're past "what if"...There are a boatload of ASA pilots who would drop ALPA like a bad habit to get over to Skywest.. Given the option. That would be an interesting scenario if it actually materialized.

Imagine that, be able to leave Atlanta and be based in the West Coat or North, flying pretty much the same equipment without red arrow days which ALPA doesn't really have the ability to fight...imagine that, an outright contract violation masked as a "red arrow day" and there's nothing we can do about it.

Why doesn't ALPA make some new uniform changes of its own? It's a violation of the rules? So are red arrow days.

 

[buscap]

Oh God!!

I'm puking in my mouth!!!

And without a contract in place at Skywest, just exactly what would insure there were never any red-arrow days at Skywest?

It is the threat of a union which keeps things Ok at Skywest. Join up with them, without a union and things would most likely change. We would at least need an in-house union which would....blah blah blah.

You already know what I'm gonna say.

I will just end with this; Being in this line of work without a union is like living in a ghetto with no gun...stupid.

And I don't think ALPA is perfect, but I know of no in-house which would get us professional activism and safety advocacy.

 

[JoeMerchant]

We're past "what if"...There are a boatload of ASA pilots who would drop ALPA like a bad habit to get over to Skywest.. Given the option. That would be an interesting scenario if it actually materialized.

Imagine that, be able to leave Atlanta and be based in the West Coat or North, flying pretty much the same equipment without red arrow days which ALPA doesn't really have the ability to fight...imagine that, an outright contract violation masked as a "red arrow day" and there's nothing we can do about it.

Why doesn't ALPA make some new uniform changes of its own? It's a violation of the rules? So are red arrow days.

Abernathy,

Honest question here...What has made you change your tune? In the past, you have given me a hard time for my positions. What has caused you to become so negative regarding ALPA...I've noticed more of this recently, and am curious what it is that has caused so many to turn on ALPA recently....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Do you believe in Santa Claus, Fair tales, and the Easter Bunny?

They may bring you over, but after an interview, and then you would be on the bottom of the list.

Are you not familiar with section 1? Please refer to your hymnal on this situation...No interview and Allegheny/Mohawk LPP....Shame on you!

 

[Abernathy]

Abernathy,

Honest question here...What has made you change your tune? In the past, you have given me a hard time for my positions. What has caused you to become so negative regarding ALPA...I've noticed more of this recently, and am curious what it is that has caused so many to turn on ALPA recently....

I don't remember if we ever discussed ALPA. Politics maybe. I just think our MEC is MIA right now. They could at least make a noise or a huge stink about the red arrow and 4 day trip nonsense. They what, filed a grievance like 6 months ago? All they have right now is their mascot RP b*tching about conspiracy theories and UFO sightings all day, and no one really knows what the hell he's talking about most of the times anyways.

Most of them probably mean well, but there's an utter lack of strength and effectiveness.

 

[Flybywire44]

ASA has lost 2 planes and neither was pilot error.

701EV

Wow, I just read that.

 

[Flybywire44]

I don't remember if we ever discussed ALPA. Politics maybe. I just think our MEC is MIA right now. They could at least make a noise or a huge stink about the red arrow and 4 day trip nonsense. They what, filed a grievance like 6 months ago? All they have right now is their mascot RP b*tching about conspiracy theories and UFO sightings all day, and no one really knows what the hell he's talking about most of the times anyways.

Most of them probably mean well, but there's an utter lack of strength and effectiveness.

Well I don't think the pilot group is beating down the doors of the MEC either over red arrow days. As a pilot group we are very reactionary to what the company and union give us.

If we really hate red arrow days as much as we all say we do than we need to ask ourselves how often we voice this with the union. Maybe we should complain to them more than we do to each other and scheduling... I have a feeling the union does not make red arrow days the priority that they should. How many senior union pilots mess with open time anyway?

The answer? NONE!!! We all pay them to not fly the line with our union dues! They're busy with PBS and our soon to be amendable contract.

 

[Abernathy]

Well I don't think the pilot group is beating down the doors of the MEC either over red arrow days. As a pilot group we are very reactionary to what the company and union give us.

If we really hate red arrow days as much as we all say we do than we need to ask ourselves how often we voice this with the union. Maybe we should complain to them more than we do to each other and scheduling... I have a feeling the union does not make red arrow days the priority that they should. How many senior union pilots mess with open time anyway?

The answer? NONE!!! We all pay them to not fly the line with our union dues! They're busy with PBS and our soon to be amendable contract.

We shouldn't have to beat down the doors of our MEC to represent us; they should always be there when the company is shoving this kind of stuff down our throats. This is their opportunity to shine. Many of us are looking to them to intervene and put a stop to this. Maybe my expectations are a little unrealistic. I think the ability of a labor union to say "the buck stops here" died long ago.

 

[buscap]

Hate to pee on the anti Red-Arrow day parade, but as I read the contract, they are legal.

They suck!!!!!

But they are legal, as it's written. I will be amazed if we win the grievance. It will take negotiating notes or something to pull this off.

I'm sure the MEC is fighting this one knowing we are hosed.

 

[FightingIrish]

We shouldn't have to beat down the doors of our MEC to represent us; they should always be there when the company is shoving this kind of stuff down our throats. This is their opportunity to shine. Many of us are looking to them to intervene and put a stop to this. Maybe my expectations are a little unrealistic. I think the ability of a labor union to say "the buck stops here" died long ago.

What part of the red arrow days are a violation of the contract?

 

[Flybywire44]

I don't believe they're a violation, but PBS is up for grabs and our contract is amendable soon... thats why we should revisit the issue.