No MDA pilots take Republic deal..

[ED GRIMLEY]

Actually, I have nothing against the CHQ pilot group as a whole. I have two friends that work there in fact. The only people I have a problem with are the guys like Traumahawk that say the furloughed USAir and WO'd pilots should just be happy with whatever scraps Republic throws their way.

I have problems with the johns who give in to management pimps and will actually pay for a crummy job. Talk about taking scraps you paid for them. WTF.

Thanks for the vine and thanks for the time. I am out!

 

[miles otoole]

What happens when US liquidates?

 

[Capt.PoopyPants]

Actually, I have nothing against the CHQ pilot group as a whole. I have two friends that work there in fact. The only people I have a problem with are the guys like Traumahawk that say the furloughed USAir and WO'd pilots should just be happy with whatever scraps Republic throws their way.

Yeah better to be on the streets than to wait out their furlough working. I'm sure our current J4J's guys would rather not work. By the way how many Northwest J4J's are at Pinnacle?

 

[PCL_128]

By the way how many Northwest J4J's are at Pinnacle?

We don't have a J4J program. We do have about 50 furloughed NWA pilots though. They received preferential interviews a couple of years ago. Nearly all of them have upgraded now.

 

[Capt.PoopyPants]

We don't have a J4J program. We do have about 50 furloughed NWA pilots though. They received preferential interviews a couple of years ago. Nearly all of them have upgraded now.

And your complaining about how CHQ is treating MDA pilots. You truly do not know what the hell is going on.

 

[ED GRIMLEY]

We don't have a J4J program. We do have about 50 furloughed NWA pilots though. They received preferential interviews a couple of years ago. Nearly all of them have upgraded now.

Talk about offering scraps. Hypocrite.

Thanks for the vine and thanks for the time. I am out!

 

[PCL_128]

And your complaining about how CHQ is treating MDA pilots. You truly do not know what the hell is going on.

Did I ever say that I was happy with our arrangement at Pinnacle? Nope, didn't think so. I thought it was ridiculous to require these guys to interview. They should have been brought on with no questions asked. The MEC did the best they could to get a good deal for the furloughs, but the CP wasn't too happy to be bringing them on at all.

My problem isn't with your company's offer. That's just to be expected from scumbag management. My problem is with the few CHQ pilots defending it and saying that the MDA pilots should just be happy with whatever they can get. We can all expect management to treat the MDA pilots like crap, but their fellow pilots shouldn't be trying to justify it.

 

[mnalpha]

Thanks for the vine and thanks for the time. I am out!

enough of that little statement.
thanks...

 

[BlackPilot628]

You've been in class, what...all of 2 weeks. Congrats to Chautauqua's biggest cheerleader, he can finally put the e-170 in his profile!

Well Try 2 months not 2 weeks. At least I'm proud of who I work for and don't have a problem defending the pilot group either. Can you?

 

[J32driver]

The dire straits that most are in nowadays are situations that could have been avoided by solidarity and fortitude.

GAWD I love it when people prove my point for me. Solidarity and fortitude.... thats exactly what the MDA guys are showing. Sure would be nice if the CHQ guys grew a sack and showed some solidarity and fortitude for the airline profession as a whole instead of just demonstrating the same greed that continually destroys our collective future as airline pilots.

As far as being an A55muncher... I'm sorry your not old enough to appreciate the joy of munching on a little bit of trim. Some day... after your boys drop and sprout a little bit of hair... you'll understand the joys of A55munching. Until then... just more trim for me!

 

[Smacktard]

Well Try 2 months not 2 weeks. At least I'm proud of who I work for and don't have a problem defending the pilot group either. Can you?

So then you haven't flown the 170 yet????

 

[OldManPilot]

I am so trying to see that what MAA pilots are doing is a good idea; however, the facts and the way that is is comming about appears to be just another case of US Airways pilots shooting themselves in the foot again. They are now turning down flying a CHQ to prove what point? That they enjoy unemployment? The aircraft are sold. The flying will be done by CHQ pilot seniority list. Just because they pass on the jobs now do not mean that the deal will not continue, it will be staffed totally by CHQ pilots. Then anytime a furloughed MAA pilots decides to come over, they will have to WAIT for an opening. I understand standing for something you feel strongly about, but this issue is like beating a dead horse, you may feel better for doing it, but in the end, the horse is still dead!

 

[generaltso]

I don't think it is really about the midatlantic pilots joining hands and taking a stand against the offer. I think it is simply the fact that most of them can get a job with a better quality of life than being on reserve for the next 1 to 2 years.

It is funny how people are outraged by this offer. If the shoe was on the other foot, there is no doubt in my mind that the Midatlantic (or any other airline) pilots would try to protect their seniority. Then would we all be calling the MDA pilots scumbags?

What I do think is b.s. is the training contract and double occupancy. I heard the training contract was reduced from 2 years to 1 year... a little more reasonable, but still $15,000 for someone trained in the aircraft is unreasonable.

 

[h25b]

There is nothing at all unreasonable about this. The MDA pilots have no one to be upset with other than US Airways mismanagement. Simple, if they want a job they got one. If they don't want to work for Republic they can go try find another position elsewhere.

It is a fact that the pay-rates are not all that different and as far as job security is concerned I would think I would feel better about being a Republic pilot than a MDA/US Airways pilot any day.

Now the double occupancy hotel room thing, there you have an arguement. Unless of course you're a single guy and we're talking coed here...

 

[Traumahawk]

Actually, I have nothing against the CHQ pilot group as a whole......The only people I have a problem with are the guys like Traumahawk that say the furloughed USAir and WO'd pilots should just be happy with whatever scraps Republic throws their way.

TELL ME WHERE I SAID THAT! You define ignorance.

I believe I talked about how THEY said after all is said and done, they are happy to be here. It's a rat race and it sucks man. But stop twisting words. It's obvious to everyone here that you are a very uninformed hypocrite.

By the way, what did you do, personally, to ensure the furloughed Northwest pilots (that used to fly the routes you hop back and forth on everyday) got an automatic captain or topped out F/O position at PCL??. No interview. A class date and a type rating.

What steps did you take, EXACTLY, to ensure their deserved positions??

Dude, go back to your hole. I think we're all sick of hearing from some pathetic no life PFT GIA grad who comes on here uninformed packing his scab lists and stereotypes, and a really crappy attitude. You are a huge tool.

 

[PCL_128]

What steps did you take, EXACTLY, to ensure their deserved positions??

I was a probationary FO at the time. I didn't serve in any union position until at least several months after all the NWA pilots had already come over. That's not really the point though. The point is that you're defending your companies actions, and I oppose the actions that my company (mainly the CP) took. I'm not asking you to lead a campaign to fix this, I'm just saying that pilots need to stick together. Instead of telling the MDA pilots that they're lucky they're even getting this, you should be supporting them in their stand. You don't have to take any steps at all to, as you put it, help them "ensure their deserved positions." All you have to do is stop defending this offer. Why do you feel the need to say that this is better than your company had to give them? Why do you feel the need to defend management's crap? You are labor, not management. Let management worry about their deals and you can worry about helping your fellow pilots at MDA that are once again getting screwed.

You are a huge tool.

The feeling is mutual, I assure you.

 

[Crzipilot]

Another great topic as to why the industry is why it is. People don't see the big picture. Unfortunately Mgmnt. types do. *itch all you want about the payscales, QOL etc.....but as long as someone is willing to show up. In this case...the CHQ/REP pilots with the carrot of fast upgrade and shiny new jets, the rates will stay down. I'm sure, as I've talked to a few, the thought of being on the street sucks for alot of these MDA folks, and no they don't all have a better place to go. They are taking a stand and saying enough is enough. Now if ALPA would take a cue on this, and encompassing everything that is happening, pensions, whipsawing, lowest bidder, etc etc and pull a page out of their old play book SOS??? anyone? anyone?........that would be fortitude, AND cry all you want, well your a pilot blah blah, you are the union....yes I am...and I'll do as they say, and I offer my opions to them, but UNTIL the TOP of the union says do this, then I have no direction. The MDA folks are possibly doing something which could turn a new chapter in a lot of things, then again, it may not, we have to see how it plays out. In the mean time I think every pilot should support them, THEY are the only ones so far that have put any type of line in the sand as of recently.

 

[vclean]

PCL_128,

Unless you are completely out of it, you must realize by now you have lost all credibility on this board. You made the PFT mistake, and now feel that you can rationalize your actions by dancing on the ALPA/MDA/U/CHQ soapbox. You continue to dig yourself into a hole.

If you feel the need to post something useful, create a new username. We are more likely to believe someone posting their first message, then listening to you.

 

[PCL_128]

Unless you are completely out of it, you must realize by now you have lost all credibility on this board.

vclean,

You seem to be under the impression that I actually care what you think of my credibility. You are, once again, wrong.

 

[vclean]

Ignorance is bliss.