No MDA pilots take Republic deal..

[PCL_128]

I guess we're not that different eh? You don't REALLY think you are flying express routes for Northwest still do you? What do you think the people you carry day in and day out were riding on 5-6 years ago??

That's absolutely right, the routes I fly now used to be mainline routes in many cases. The difference is this: I don't tell the furloughed guys that they should be grateful when our airline throws them a few scraps and lets them interview at Pinnacle for a job. I don't like it when a mainline -9 is taken off of a route and a Pinnacle CRJ shows up on it the next week. I certainly don't tell the guy that lost his upgrade slot at mainline because of it that he should "just be happy he has a job."

 

[Capt.PoopyPants]

Maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes before you start talking about how grateful they should be for your pathetic little offer. These guys have been screwed over so many times by now that they're probably numb. Why should they be happy with the scraps you're willing to throw their way? It wasn't that long ago that all this flying was done by mainline and WO'd pilots. Now newbie CHQ pilots like yourself think that you are superior to them and they should be grateful for what you let them have? Laughable at best.

You act as if you know how the CHQ offer compares to the current conditions at MDA. Well please enlighten us PFT_128. How do the pay rates and work rules compare.

By the way there is not one guy at CHQ who thinks himself superior to the J4J's. If anything we learn what we can from them while they're here.

 

[PCL_128]

You act as if you know how the CHQ offer compares to the current conditions at MDA. Well please enlighten us PFT_128. How do the pay rates and work rules compare.

Anyone can find that information. The "offer" was posted here on this thread and the info for MDA is on airlinepilotcentral.com.

 

[Mike15601]

Originally Posted by Mike15601
Perhaps the MDA guys are having problems going to an airline that dosnt even have a certificate for the 170 yet.


Why not they fly for one now.
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????Yes..MDA has 170's and operate under USAirways certificate. Republic at this point and time does not have even one 170 nor an approved FAA Cert. to operate it. How can MDA guys be expected to even accept a job to a "virtual" airline. There is nothing to go to at this point and time.

 

[Traumahawk]

You act as if you know how the CHQ offer compares to the current conditions at MDA. Well please enlighten us PFT_128. How do the pay rates and work rules compare.

By the way there is not one guy at CHQ who thinks himself superior to the J4J's. If anything we learn what we can from them while their here.

Absolutely.

And PCL, you didn't answer my earlier questions on the previous page. Go back to your hole. You don't understand politics and you sure don't understand this industry. You're in the box. Go educate yourself..please...somehow...

And when you do come back, please, don't lecture people on payscales. You PAID to sit right seat, you completely destroyed any ground you had on this issue.
You ARE the weakest link...goodbye.

 

[Popeye0537]

Its called Shuttle America....we already operate 170's

 

[Stick Man]

USAir J4J pilots are flying as F/O's?

This tool doesn't even know what the j4j deal was. But he's damn willing to open the gateway to hell under his nose isn't he?

 

[stb]

By the way there is not one guy at CHQ who thinks himself superior to the J4J's. If anything we learn what we can from them while their here.

Hmm so why the one year training contract from management?

3 sims at $15000 I would want the full 2 month program.

 

[Traumahawk]

Hmm so why the one year training contract from management?

You answered your own question. I don't remember voting on anything lately.

 

[Stick Man]

Give it a couple of months and I'm sure you will get an ear full.

I'd like to see a REP crew change a couple of months from now.
Imagine a 16 year USAirways pilot flying F/O for a CHQ pilot. Talk about CRM in a cockpit.
Wont happen because U pilots wont work for sub-substandard wages.

This yacka55 is already slandering the MDA FO that he tries to defend. I am sure that whoever sits to my right in the 170 or 145 or 190 for that matter will be nothing but professional as I will do so myself.

Also, "sub-standard" could be defined as working for an airline that is a division of an airline with no money, no future, no positive cash flow and no decent ramp help in a major hub city, while making 1000 bucks more a year.

What the heck is sub-substandard? We don't have subs on property yet. But I'll bet someone says that we'd undercut Admiral Nimitz in the race to the bottom.

 

[Capt.PoopyPants]

Hmm so why the one year training contract from management?

3 sims at $15000 I would want the full 2 month program.

You would want the full program? Have you ever been through sim training? I would want the shortest sims possible if I already knew the airplane.

As Trauma said it's management's decision, and they probably want some return on their investment in training these guys.

 

[Stick Man]

That's absolutely right, the routes I fly now used to be mainline routes in many cases. The difference is this: I don't tell the furloughed guys that they should be grateful when our airline throws them a few scraps and lets them interview at Pinnacle for a job. I don't like it when a mainline -9 is taken off of a route and a Pinnacle CRJ shows up on it the next week. I certainly don't tell the guy that lost his upgrade slot at mainline because of it that he should "just be happy he has a job."

Like you have any control over load factors since 9/11. Like you have any say over passenger/route loads and planning. You are told to fly the planes you a55 and then you get paid to do it - just like us all.

When was the last time a CHQ/RP/SA guy told a mainline guy that he should be happy? We are only saying that our management has provided this situation:

1. This is the flying.
2. These are the airplanes.
3. This is the pay.
4. These are the "incidentals".
5. This is a chance.

Do what you like, and file lawsuits that you'd like but this is the situation. What do you what to do? Join us and move forward or don't join us and do whatever.

 

[stb]

You would want the full program? Have you ever been through sim training? I would want the shortest sims possible if I already knew the airplane

Montreal would be a blast for 2 months on the company's dime. Especially if you were already typed for the plane.

 

[miles otoole]

It wasn't that long ago that all this flying was done by mainline and WO'd pilots. Now newbie CHQ pilots like yourself think that you are superior to them and they should be grateful for what you let them have? Laughable at best.

Not superior, just senior. Hey, it's the union afterall. What's laughable is the fact that these 15 year "industry professionals" think they are OWED more than a 25 year old regional new hire. How does the fact they have been screwed over many times mean that anyone should give a flying fvck? I see many homeless people on the street who have probably been screwed over many times-that doesn't mean I am going to bring them home and let them live in my house. Does that make me a bad person? This industry "and life" is about making your own luck. No more, no less. It's all about "I got mine." Don't think for a second that any DL, AA, WN, UA pilot gives a crap about those he left behind. Brotherhood as long as your neighborhood is good.

 

[Capt.PoopyPants]

Montreal would be a blast for 2 months on the company's dime. Especially if you were already typed for the plane.

Yeah, I would love to be away from my family and loved ones for two months. OOOOHHHH, and I can eat all the restauraunt food I want and never get a home cooked meal. Sign me up.

 

[ED GRIMLEY]

Montreal would be a blast for 2 months on the company's dime. Especially if you were already type for the plane.

Yea when I think great places to spend the first one that comes to mind is Montreal! Everyone gets in this industry to be away from home and family for 2 months sitting in some box in a foreign country one that speaks French at that. (I surrender) Hell lets go back and take Algebra 101 just for the fun of it for a couple of months. WTFO. Hope you have fun in French Canada just remember to get the gravy on the on your fries. Eh. I would rather be in some scuzzy town like Toledo.

Thanks for the vine and thanks for the time. I am out.

 

[PCL_128]

And PCL, you didn't answer my earlier questions on the previous page.

Would you be referring to the questions about the dead PFT horse that has been beaten to a bloody pulp already? Sorry, I've answered those questions enough. You're welcome to go back and read my answers though.

You don't understand politics and you sure don't understand this industry.

What a joke. As for politics, I take that as a compliment from a far-left lib like yourself. You have yet to make a coherent argument on anything politically related on this board. All you can do is yell Micky Moore sound-bites repeatedly.

As for the industry, you seem to be the one in the dark. You can stick your head in the sand all you want, but these issues won't go away. The industry keeps sinking further and further down the spiral because guys like you won't wake up and realize that what the MDA pilots are doing is the right thing. Someone has to take a stand against management. It obviously won't be you since you apparently have your nose firmly attached to their collective anus, so it will be up to the MDA pilots. At least someone has some balls.

 

[miles otoole]

I'd like to see a REP crew change a couple of months from now.
Imagine a 16 year USAirways pilot flying F/O for a CHQ pilot. Talk about CRM in a cockpit.
Wont happen because U pilots wont work for sub-substandard wages.

Why not? Happens numerous times every day in the fractionals as retired DL and AA 767/777 CAs fly right seat in Citations and start at 30k per year.

 

[Capt.PoopyPants]

Would you be referring to the questions about the dead PFT horse that has been beaten to a bloody pulp already? Sorry, I've answered those questions enough. You're welcome to go back and read my answers though.


As for the industry, you seem to be the one in the dark. You can stick your head in the sand all you want, but these issues won't go away. The industry keeps sinking further and further down the spiral because guys like you won't wake up and realize that what the MDA pilots are doing is the right thing. Someone has to take a stand against management. It obviously won't be you since you apparently have your nose firmly attached to their collective anus, so it will be up to the MDA pilots. At least someone has some balls.

The definition of irony. A guy who PFT's at Gulfstream accusing someone else of the industries downward spiral. Hey PFT_128 a hear there's a new company named GO-jets looking for FO's on CRJ700's. And you don't even have to pay for the job.

 

[stb]

Yea when I think great places to spend the first one that comes to mind is Montreal! Everyone gets in this industry to be away from home and family for 2 months sitting in some box in a foreign country one that speaks French at that. (I surrender) Hell lets go back and take Algebra 101 just for the fun of it for a couple of months. WTFO. Hope you have fun in French Canada just remember to get the gravy on the on your fries. Eh. I would rather be in some scuzzy town like Toledo.

Thanks for the vine and thanks for the time. I am out.

CHQ doesn't have space positive travel during days off in training?