NO JS to anti-ALPA types

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA and Woerth saved the jumpseat that day.....

The TSA questioned whether jumpseating was going to affect cockpit security. While I know Woerth objected to any plan that didn't include jumpseating, and I am positive he lobbied for the jumpseat, to say that he SAVED it is a little bit of an overreach. If the TSA didn't want to allow jumpseaters, there wouldn't be jumpseaters....period.

Now, if ALPA had gone to the mat for the jumpseat, like telling the members to not return to work post 9/11 because of the TSA's unwillingness to work with the pilots of this country and had it actually happened that way with a TSA reversal after the fact, then you could say with certainty that ALPA saved the jumpseat.

A350

Tell us about the all induatry conference call hours oafter 9/11. Who particapted? I can assure the SKYW pilots weren't represented...

Jumpseat war? Management getting tired of the complaining? Management might shut it down? Yeah right..... and those with representation will be much more effective in keeping..getting it back...

 

[hoover]

You need to do some research. Many pilot contracts include language for access to the jumpseat and Captain's authority over it.

You got me there. We all know that once it's in the contract, you can take it to the bank. Whatever...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You got me there. We all know that once it's in the contract, you can take it to the bank. Whatever...

I've used the grievance process and made some bank. Days off too....

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[405]

nevermind...

 

[PCL_128]

I've used the grievance process and made some bank. Days off too....

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Same here. Used it to get dollars, days off, and a ridiculous disciplinary letter removed. The greivance process works.

 

[CFIT]

I can see the idea of somebody being denied the jumpseat because he didn't vote ALPO and then claiming the Captain could be intoxicated becoming a reality, you know it will happen.

It wont take much of that to kill it for everybody.
Another ALPO victory!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I can see the idea of somebody being denied the jumpseat because he didn't vote ALPO and then claiming the Captain could be intoxicated becoming a reality, you know it will happen.

It wont take much of that to kill it for everybody.
Another ALPO victory!

CFIT!

I am still waiting for you to answer the "tough" questions...

In the meantime... since you don't have to pay that dreaded, quality of life draining, 2% dues you don't hae to jumpseat... just use the 2% for ID90's!

Not voting in ALPA was like getting a 2% raise!

The jumpseat conference is usually in the Spring... are the SKYW pilots going to send a rep? (even that gives me a chuckle...) Then again why should you.... you'll just freeload off the results of the conference...



Does the SKYW pilots have agreements with Canadian or other foreign carriers...?

 

[Soverytired]

Regionals denying jumpseats. What a joke.

Jumpseat on Southwest or JetBlue. They go to 90% of the country anyway, their jumpseat policies kick ass, they're all super nice, and don't give two ********************s about ALPA.

(or if they do, they won't ask)

 

[Capn Lucky]

"Jumpseat" wars accomplish nothing except making regionals look like losers. Also, they are usually started by people who don't commute.

 

[Airline Driver]

You need to go over to the "regional airline pilots union" thread to read why in-house unions don't work, especially for regional airlines. In-house unions are a mistake. Believe me, I'm a member of one.

Well Sir you have your opinion and I have mine. Fact of the matter is this, getting back to the original scope of this thread, the jump seat is not a carrot to use as a power trip that some Idiots use to get their rocks off. It should not matter what race, religion, Opinion, or background the person is coming from.

Anybody that does deny a fellow pilot a ride to work or a ride home to their family, is nothing but a No good worthless bottom feeding looser who needs their A$$ lit of fire. :0 Professional courtesy has gone out the window and needs an overhaul. We have too many snot nosed ego maniacs in this business. People need to grow up and get over it, move on and play the game right or simply get out!!!!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhh!! Now I feel better!!

 

[CFIT]

CFIT!

I am still waiting for you to answer the "tough" questions...

In the meantime... since you don't have to pay that dreaded, quality of life draining, 2% dues you don't hae to jumpseat... just use the 2% for ID90's!

Not voting in ALPA was like getting a 2% raise!

The jumpseat conference is usually in the Spring... are the SKYW pilots going to send a rep? (even that gives me a chuckle...) Then again why should you.... you'll just freeload off the results of the conference...



Does the SKYW pilots have agreements with Canadian or other foreign carriers...?

I suppose ALPA is the answer to all your tough questions, right? That doesn't appear to be the mood on the major board is it?

And yes with the money I've saved so far this year, I do buy full fare tickets for my family and myself, screw ID90's.

I havn't jumpseated in years so I think that should be handled by those that do. My point was that if the ALPA Klan members that use it for discriminatory reasons and someone gets pissed and has the plane return to the gate for a suspected alcohol test it could cause enough trouble to have the privilege yanked for everybody.

But I suppose that's OK as it supports your cause, right?

 

[Metro752]

Anyone else who has been on FI for any amount of time knows Pookie is just yanking your chain. Ahaha 14 pages because Pookie was bored.

Idiots.

 

[Caspian27]

Don't forget, we also voted down Teamsters too.

Yeah. Teamsters would've been WAAAAAY better (not!)

 

[Caspian27]

I think we did a good job getting the word out. The SKYW pilots were either ignorant or selfish...



They can hang together or seperately. A choice they made no doubt....the SKYW pilots just gave us the symbolic middle finger... at least that is the message we received...

Rez,

You quoted too many different things for me to quote and respond to them without it sounding confused.

You can have whatever opinion you like about this issue, however lumping ALL SkyWest pilots together as dumb, not respecting the industry, etc is just plain ignorant. Did you see that 1/3 of the group voted yes? Your response was basically "hang in the noose together." Cool. Well, unfortunately some decided not to vote or voted no. The rest of us tried our best to not let that happen. But crucifying those people now and the entire pilot group is not the answer. The vote is over and it's time to move on...

Do we still live in a democracy? It's things like this that make me wonder if we're living in a socialist state...

PCL,

You say that in-house unions are a failure. Now let's say there was a vote at Citrus where your only choice was in-house (which isn't your preference) or nothing (which is even less your preference). What would you do? Wait for the right situation or bring what you believed a flawed situation into your company.

All I'm preaching is levity everyone. I voted one way, and some others didn't. It's over. Let's move on. Maybe a better way is to use your jumpseats as a way to educate people on union benefits than a "Jimmy Hoffa" punishment which people will remember much longer and put a much more sour taste about unions in their mouth.

My two cents.

C27

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

NO SKYW pilot wants to acknowledge the efforts by ALPA that they benefit from! THERE is no reply from the SKYW management lovers to even try and justify.

As far as the 1/3.... you tried and that is respected... If one the 66% Klub lies and says "Yeah I voted for ALPA, can I ride the jumpseat..." a few follow up questions will reveal the truth...

Tired of the feeeleaders... too much work to be done.... the freeloaders make it harder...

Any SKYW pilots going to be at the Spring 08 jumpseat conference?