NO JS to anti-ALPA types

[WalterSobchak]

I would like to point out that, as someone who has no dog in the everlasting ALPA fight...as well as someone who often has to hope for the jumpseat to get home...that I respect each individual pilot's opinion on the unions.




(just trying to publicly position myself as neutral so as to not piss off anyone enough to get denied)

 

[Speedtape]

I would like to point out that, as someone who has no dog in the everlasting ALPA fight...as well as someone who often has to hope for the jumpseat to get home...that I respect each individual pilot's opinion on the unions.




(just trying to publicly position myself as neutral so as to not piss off anyone enough to get denied)

As the baseball umpires say with a successful head-first slide into a stolen base--"Your SAFE!!!!!!"

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I am involved in improving our profession.... more so than most..... I have done my "tour of duty" in ALPA.... Almost 10 years of volunteering....

10 years of volunteering wiped out by your silly lawsuit. It takes a lifetime to build a reputation Joey and one silly, divisive lawsuit to destroy it.

ALPA isn't "unifying" us..... It is dividing us.... You are at Aloha, so you don't see it first hand like many of us "regional whipsaw victims".....

But Joey.. you haven't offered real solutions. It is a tough a quandry. ALPA can't figure it out but neither can you...so instead of accepting responsibility... you criticize, blame and sue. You know...all the aspects of character...

I was an ALPA "true believer"..... wore the pin, went to meetings, walked numerous info. pickets, put the stickers on the flight bag, etc.... Then I watched how ALPA allowed and participated in the "bidding" process.... I watched ALPA groups fight amongst themselves with scope, mergers, and age 60.....

No, Joey, you have weak character. You created a perception that ALPA was your everything, and when your expectations where let down, you couldn't look in the mirror. You had to blame someone else. You bought a Honda Civic thinking it would perform like a Porsche. Now you blame Honda. Blame yourself.

You can't stand it Joey.. to the point that you have to get on FI and use the Skywest Orginizing Drive as a platform to run your bitter bile amongst us.

More irresponsibility on your part.. whenther its your lawsuit (traitor, divider) or your weak attempts to turn a justified jumpseat denial (PIC Auth and social grace) into union thuggery and threats.... its all about you Jeoy and your expectations....climb inside your mind Joey.

I don't say "Fck ALPA", but I don't wear the pin anymore, and if you ask me about ALPA..... I will give you an honest answer..... ALPA has failed....

Of course you don't wear the pin Joey... your bitter has caused you to reounce the organization that you failed. You can't be effective. So you hate.

Simply put, you had a falling out with "someone" (ALPA) and now you need to get other people to hate to make yourself feel better.

We all know ALPA has problems Joey, but we aren't giving up. We aren't giving into hate, bitterness and self defeatism. Despite our problems we are working hard to make things better.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Joe,

Maybe, the J/S er tinkled in the Captain's wheaties. FYI, it pays to be political and practice a little diplomacy every once and a while--especially when one is J/S ing. How bad do you want it--the J/S? Espousing strong positional views only works on Flightinfo. If Jumpseating, in reality, you are placing yourself in a subserviant position and at the mercy of the god like figure in the left seat. Just like a check ride, it's "Yes Sir, No Sir, 3 bags full, Sir!"

Sorry Speedtape, but Pookie shouldn't have asked the question if he wasn't prepared for an answer he didn't like. Diplomacy goes both ways! Pookie injected politics into the jumpseat and he was wrong there. He was also wrong when he sent the jumpseater on the long walk back up the jetway. Anyone who supports Pookie doesn't get it.

The jumpseat is NOT a political tool. Period.

 

[ParrotheadGTI]

Seriously dude... I don't care how you what your stand is on a union. I'm not going to screw someone out of getting to work or getting home. You're a first class a$$.

amen!!!!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I would like to point out that, as someone who has no dog in the everlasting ALPA fight...as well as someone who often has to hope for the jumpseat to get home...that I respect each individual pilot's opinion on the unions.




(just trying to publicly position myself as neutral so as to not piss off anyone enough to get denied)

You, as well as your cohorts XPOO and HomerJDispatch are welcome anytime, eventhough you dispatchers have a superiority complex with pilots.

 

[siucavflight]

This whole therad is stupid. Pookie made this up. He works at SKW and I would be willing to bet a million to one that he did not deny one of his own a JS.

The only people I have ever seen denied a JS at Eagle are the Go-Jets guys.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Where does it end? Scope, Age 60, Hillary/Thompson, Abortion, Gun Control, Ginger/Mary Ann?

My vote is for MaryAnn. She's still hot. Had her on my plane about three months ago.

Listen, don't ask questions that you aren't prepared for the answer.... Don't kick a jumpseater off because he answered your question truthfully.....

Exactly. However "fcuk ALPA" isn't using your noggin either. Perhaps if Pookie had used the exact quote in his first post, this thread may have taken a different tone. The j/s shouldn't be used as a weapon of any kind. Educational tool.......sure.

If this were true (which I doubt), our j/s coordinator will get it resolved promptly and in a satisfactory manner.

 

[CoATP]

Pookie,
With a Comm/Multi, 3000 hours, and ten years of ALPA you must have sat in a crash pad on reerve for a LONG time ..... methinks this is flame bait (or perhaps anti-ALPA bait)

But 6 pages later it looks like it worked.

 

[NEDude]

No, I support Captain's authority. The jumpseat belongs to the Captain, and it is his to do with as he pleases.

Actually it belongs to the airline and ops manuals put limitations on its use. The captain has the authority to deny it to some people, and cannot put someone in it that the ops manual prohibits.

 

[A350]

PCL:

The problem you have is with Captains Authority. The reason Captains authority has been eroded over time is because of malcontents who use the very thing you hold dear to further their own agendas or further some PERSONAL ideal. I have watched with some disdain over the past 20 years how we have lost ground in this regard...and it is because of tools like pookie and others who use hard fought gains as a political weapon or to further their own agenda. It doesn't work....and it furthers the notion that we cannot police ourselves so the "right" is taken away.

Flame all you want, but Captains Authority is and always has been the Captains right to get what he wants to further the SAFETY of the operation. Not whether some guy who agrees with him on a religious, philosophical, union, or political basis gets the professional courtesy of a ride. There are only two sides to a jumpseat war, and both sides LOSE. The guy who didn't get home will hate ALPA till the day he dies. The guy who denied him the ride will get his someday and that is how the business works.

Pookie, you didn't uphold the profession that day. It may look like it to the goons who support your actions, but all you did was weaken the support of the union.

Never ask a question that you don't want to hear the answer to.

A350

 

[PCL_128]

Actually it belongs to the airline and ops manuals put limitations on its use. The captain has the authority to deny it to some people, and cannot put someone in it that the ops manual prohibits.

Some people? Don't know where you got that idea. The Captain has the authority to deny anyone he wants for any reason. The only exceptions are Feds are secret service on official business, and he still has the right to deny them in the interest of safety.

The jumpseat belongs to the Captain. Period. End of story.

 

[FishandFly]

Some people? Don't know where you got that idea. The Captain has the authority to deny anyone he wants for any reason. The only exceptions are Feds are secret service on official business, and he still has the right to deny them in the interest of safety.

The jumpseat belongs to the Captain. Period. End of story.

That is incorrect. Any captain that tries to refuse a fed, SS, etc. will be removed from the flight. The extra stripe doesn't give some magical power.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

That is incorrect. Any captain that tries to refuse a fed, SS, etc. will be removed from the flight. The extra stripe doesn't give some magical power.

Not true, I know someone that denied a FED.

 

[Tarzan]

Not true, I know someone that denied a FED.

Balls of steel there. Where do I get my upgrade from balls of stone?

 

[vectorvictor]

Some people? Don't know where you got that idea. The Captain has the authority to deny anyone he wants for any reason. The only exceptions are Feds are secret service on official business, and he still has the right to deny them in the interest of safety.

The jumpseat belongs to the Captain. Period. End of story.

Yes...but no. The seat belongs to the airline (or more likely the financing company that holds the note on the plane).

The right to refuse an elligible jumpseat rider is the PIC's discretion. Your time would have been better spent educating the young prick rather than sending him back to the terminal. Besides freedom of expression (1st ammendment) entitles the prick to his or her own opinion. Maybe I'll just deny all the white catholic Irish folk from my jumpseat on pure principle. The denial of a jumpseater allows the Captain the ability to restrict access to his or her flight deck. Its not a political tool or license to discriminate without just cause.

 

[PCL_128]

That is incorrect. Any captain that tries to refuse a fed, SS, etc. will be removed from the flight. The extra stripe doesn't give some magical power.

Where do you guys come up with this crap? A Fed isn't allowed to interfere with operations of a 121 or 135 airline. He is allowed to inspect to the degree that the operation isn't interfered with, and that includes not being allowed to cause delays. If the Captain decides to deny the Fed, then the flight will still go as scheduled without the Fed, and the Captain will merely have to answer for it later. If he can't provide a reason that includes safety of flight, then there will be consequences, but as long as the Captain is able to display his certificate and his medical to the Fed, then the Fed has no right to remove him from the flight.

 

[PCL_128]

Yes...but no. The seat belongs to the airline (or more likely the financing company that holds the note on the plane).

As soon as the Captain signs for that airplane, then the jumpseat is his to do with as he pleases. The airline has zero right to force the Captain to allow anyone on the jumpseat, and the FAA has backed ALPA on that interpretation.

 

[PCL_128]

The problem you have is with Captains Authority. The reason Captains authority has been eroded over time is because of malcontents who use the very thing you hold dear to further their own agendas or further some PERSONAL ideal.

No, the reason that Captains' authority has declined over the years is because too many Captain allow it. I used to get emails from our Captains constantly complaining to me that the airline didn't schedule them enough time for a single meal break in a 15 hour duty day. My response was always simple: "you're the Captain. Delay the flight until you've had enough time for you and your crew to eat." Only about 10% of them had the balls to do it. The rest willfully gave up their Captain's authority simply because they didn't want to rock the boat. The guys that had the balls to act like a frickin' Captain never got in any trouble, because the regs still provide for Captain's authority whether the airlines like it or not.

Captain's authority has never been impacted by anything related to guy "pushing a political agenda," and certainly nothing related to abusing the control of the jumpseat. Captain's authority has been compromised because we don't have enough "old-school" guys in the left seat nowadays that have any balls.

 

[Occam's Razor]

That is incorrect. Any captain that tries to refuse a fed, SS, etc. will be removed from the flight. The extra stripe doesn't give some magical power.

Wrong!

I threw an Air Carrier Inspector (110A) of my jumpseat in FAR in 2002.

Told him he wasn't going; called my Chief Pilot; flew the jet to MSP...and beyond, uninterrupted, for the remainder of my trip.

No big deal.

Rules is rules.

Never had a Secret Service guy ride the jumpseat, but I can toss them off too, regardless of who is on the flight.

Know the rules, my son.