NMB to ASA: keep negotiating

[ASARJMan]

Oh man, now you're providing definitions. That's rich. You don't scare me. No one does. I've been here alot longer than 10 years, and you have no idea of what I have done as an ALPA volunteer on numerous committees. Rally a revolt? Is that what you're about, and really want? You've been watching too many Castro movies man. This becoming comical.

 

[John Pennekamp]

This becoming comical.

Indeed it is.

 

[Sinca3]

I know that our demands on the 50 are inline with CHQ and Express Jet. The problem is we're not competing with CHQ and Express Jet, we're competing with SKW in the eyes of Skywest Inc.

Here´s another idea:
WHy not tie our scope to the size of Skywest airlines! Something like as long as we (ASA) are no more than 15% higher on a airframe there will be no transfers.
I would think this would be a good way of keeping pressure on Skywest management in keeping their pilot group rates in line. If they threatened a reduction in pay I see this the final push in getting unionization at Skywest.
Just a thaught........

 

[ASARJMan]

Hey! We agree!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Here´s another idea:
WHy not tie our scope to the size of Skywest airlines! Something like as long as we (ASA) are no more than 15% higher on a airframe there will be no transfers.
I would think this would be a good way of keeping pressure on Skywest management in keeping their pilot group rates in line. If they threatened a reduction in pay I see this the final push in getting unionization at Skywest.
Just a thaught........

The current scope proposal on the table is protecting our current percentage of Skywest Inc flying, plus our current number of CRJ-700 aircraft. This comes directly from the CNC chairman.

This is the proposal that the MEC feels "all the money on the table can't buy".

 

[Tomct]

Your way of thinking while humerous is for a different era. The cheese has moved. You are obsolete.[/quote]




Funny...everyone I talk to feels the same way as I do! So WHO is obsolete? I believe that it may be YOU!!! HEY...HERE ARE SOME CAPS FOR YOU. HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM NOW!

 

[buscap]

You must be the only person here who doesn't know who Oh Please is. He announced it on the Alpa web board some time ago. He's not in management at all. Not even an IP.

I was refering to Geekmaster. I guess I need to be more specific in my childish rants.

 

[Medeco]

I agree the pilots of ASA need to step up and get involved once and for all.

I think it is counter productive to tell the current MEC, who was just elected in office, that we are going to recall them if this session doesnt bring a TA.

I cant understand why the FEW on here are so quick to blame the very people that are trying to work for the pilots best interest.

To come on this board and say with such absolute, that you are in the know on the majority or the minority, from the flightdeck talk and badda bing lounge, is short sighted to say the least.


In my opinion, people will often shake there head in agreement 9 out of 10 times just to avoid an argument, while in their own mind they either disagree or have no idea how they feel on an issue, because they have not taken the time to know the issues at hand. Not everyone is so quick too say how they feel like the JB's and WF's.

I mean take a look on here for proof, the threads on this issue is dominated by the above people I listed.

Just like elections, often the loudest voice is in fact the minority, trying to convince the masses that they know best.

I dont have the answers to our problem at ASA, but I know I dont like the fighting within and the lack of brotherhood that is supposed to exist. Its this that the vast majority sees and just says, why would I get involved with that, let someone else deal with it. Sad but true.

I'll be there Thursday. and I'll speak up if I need to. I expect our CNC to get results, but I also expect our management to get reasonable too, its a two way street.

Medeco

 

[GeekMaster]

That's a really good post Medeco

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

It's the same old clowns playing the same games. What's up tomct haven't see you for a while... Nothing has ever changed and no one will get the message until we get rid of all the company men flying the line and making it happen for the company.

 

[www.]

Because the union spent the last three years raising everyone's expectations out of the stratosphere.

Now, they can't back down or they'll lose face.

This current MEC can't get it done. It's time to replace them. They gambled our careers, certain they would get a release, and lost... AGAIN. They just don't get it.

You were involved in 2 of the last 3 years weren't you?

Didn't you vote for the current MEC Chairman? Time to replace who?

 

[John Pennekamp]

You were involved in 2 of the last 3 years weren't you?

No.

Didn't you vote for the current MEC Chairman? Time to replace who?

No.

 

[www.]

No.



No.

hahahahahaha

 

[Sinca3]

Very good post Medco!!
Wish I could be there on Thursday.........anyone want my crappy 4 day?

 

[John Pennekamp]

hahahahahaha

I'm not sure what's so funny, but since you want to play stupid games, aren't you the one who used to be a System Board member but threw a little tantrum and quit because Big Mean Bob Arnold said something that hurt your little feelings? The one who makes asinine predictions all the time because of your friends in management who tell you misinformation to pass along? The one who's on more no fly lists than the real Fuzzo?

Get a life.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I'm not sure what's so funny, but since you want to play stupid games, aren't you the one who used to be a System Board member but threw a little tantrum and quit because Big Mean Bob Arnold said something that hurt your little feelings?

Again, nice job with that whole not outing people thing. Hypocrite.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Again, nice job with that whole not outing people thing. Hypocrite.

Call me a hypocrite if it makes you feel good. Call me whatever you want, for all I care. If you want to debate the issues on their individual merits, I'm game.

But when you go after me personally, expect me to fight back.

 

[ASARJMan]

Yeah ole Wil, he's something ain't he.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Call me a hypocrite if it makes you feel good. Call me whatever you want, for all I care. If you want to debate the issues on their individual merits, I'm game.

But when you go after me personally, expect me to fight back.

I don't recall the person in question ever going after you personally or attempting to out you, so it seems more like hypocrisy to me than "fighting back". At any rate, he's a big boy. I'm sure he can stick up for himself. Personally, I think you just expect others to play by the rules while you get a pass. Back before you and JM were buddies, I remember you trying to out him on numerous occasions, which is ridiculously futile considering he is one of the few people here who makes no attempt to hide who he is.

 

[601Pilot]

It's the same old clowns playing the same games. What's up tomct haven't see you for a while... Nothing has ever changed and no one will get the message until we get rid of all the company men flying the line and making it happen for the company.

Amen brother! Too many people going above-and-beyond. What part of slowing-down-the-operation do these people not understand? If your flight is on-time and no mx issues, then you can only blame yourself for the lack of movement by the company.