NJA Upgrade time

[MississippiMud]

Humphrey yo mamma dont have any color. Thats just my observation. Get off your CS trip because it AINT the best company in the Frac industry.

 

[MississippiMud]

and yes that was me getting on a 4th grade level so I can relate to you.

 

[RNObased]

They are Falcon EX slots, not regular Falcon 2000 (Class 4 vs Class 3).

Which means if comes out of double digits and actually makes it to the 100th pilot on the senority list it would be amazing.

 

[old*art]

From what I understand there are over SIX HUNDRED pilots that are over age 60

Just checked the 5/1/06 breakdown and there were around 200 pilots 56 and older.

 

[flymore]

flymore

I just asked a buddy of mine that works for NetJets on the Ultra. Based on the seniority numbers, he thinks he'll have a possible shot at upgrade after approx 2.5 years in company...for what it's worth.

 

[RNObased]

From what I understand there are over SIX HUNDRED pilots that are over age 60

Just checked the 5/1/06 breakdown and there were around 200 pilots 56 and older.

That is true, however you didn't read the fine print on the chart that says only 25% of the pilot force has provide information for the chart.

The numbers I have heard is closer to 400, but that is just hearsay.

 

[notaNJApilot]

Which means if comes out of double digits and actually makes it to the 100th pilot on the senority list it would be amazing.

i would be surprised if it went over 50. whats the most junior EZ captain right now?

it would take a long time for the EX to make it over 100. The EZ is the next highest paying besides the BBJ and who knows when/if we'll bid into the BBJ.

 

[notaNJApilot]

I just asked a buddy of mine that works for NetJets on the Ultra. Based on the seniority numbers, he thinks he'll have a possible shot at upgrade after approx 2.5 years in company...for what it's worth.

it really depends on if the company continues to put out captain bids at the current rate and if current captains are content with their aircraft or want to switch. i'm pretty sure that based on numbers of pilots and numbers of bids, the current captains could easily bid and receive all the captain postings which would mean current FO's would never upgrade. this is unlikely since current captains probably won't bid the 560 or XL or 400 but there are a ton of FOs who all are bidding those fleets.

 

[notaNJApilot]

That is true, however you didn't read the fine print on the chart that says only 25% of the pilot force has provide information for the chart.

The numbers I have heard is closer to 400, but that is just hearsay.

i'd say 250 is pretty realistic; so 10%.

 

[Tref]

it really depends on if the company continues to put out captain bids at the current rate and if current captains are content with their aircraft or want to switch. i'm pretty sure that based on numbers of pilots and numbers of bids, the current captains could easily bid and receive all the captain postings which would mean current FO's would never upgrade. this is unlikely since current captains probably won't bid the 560 or XL or 400 but there are a ton of FOs who all are bidding those fleets.

If a Captain bid for a different aircraft, he/she would create a vacancy in the aircraft he/she was leaving. That would mean the company would still need another Captain.

 

[notaNJApilot]

Right, but I'd be interested to know how many FOs upgraded this year and how many FOs were hired. 300 seems to be a realistic number for new hires and I don't think that 300 FOs upgraded this year, but I could be wrong.

 

[Ultra Grump]

By my count, there were 322 PIC slots awarded this year so far, with 181 upgrades. The biggest mover was the XL, with 112 PIC slots awarded and 94 upgrades. FWIW.

 

[TORCH67]

There are so many factors relating to upgrades at NJ. Anyone that can tell you what will happen is guessing or is a psychic! I have a hard time believing that age 60+ pilots are waiting for $16K(13K after taxes) before calling it quits. The ratio of pic to sic has been close to 60/40 give or take a few %. If you add 400 pilots per year then you would see ~ 240 Pic bids minus the aircraft attrition plus pilot attrition. The last upgrades were in the 1600 range recently and would put a new hire with 2500 number upgrading in 3 1/2 years no matter what aircraft. Most if not all of the movement in the larger aircraft(with apu) will be PIC to PIC. It will also take another year or so for the post contract movement to settle down due to bypass FO's upgrading or going back to FO pay. It's good to be optimistic, but don't spend that paycheck before it's in the bank!

 

[Ultra Grump]

Latest awards: XL upgrades went down to #1704 (7/06 hire). Encore went to #1800 (10/04 hire). Sovereign to #1712 (7/06 hire) - that's a shocker!

 

[Guitar Guy]

Latest awards: XL upgrades went down to #1704 (7/06 hire). Encore went to #1800 (10/04 hire). Sovereign to #1712 (7/06 hire) - that's a shocker!

Don't you mean 7/04 hire dates for the junior XL and 680 awards? If not, then I want to know how someone hired last month got ahead of me on the seniority list...:erm:

 

[NJA bound]

So it looks like upgrades are at 1 year and 10 months here currently.

 

[Guitar Guy]

So it looks like upgrades are at 1 year and 10 months here currently.

I'd caution against a potential new-hire thinking that he or she could get hired next month and be a captain before the end of 2008. I had a friend just get on here and I told him before he accepted the job that he'd likely be around 4 years of seniority before upgrading.

Of course, it's all a SWAG but I don't think 22 months to upgrade is good estimate for a new-hire today.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Don't you mean 7/04 hire dates for the junior XL and 680 awards? If not, then I want to know how someone hired last month got ahead of me on the seniority list...:erm:

Yep, I've got '06 on the brain. 2004 is correct. Tried to edit, won't let me.

 

[acaTerry]

Yep, I've got '06 on the brain. 2004 is correct. Tried to edit, won't let me.

You just don't know how. Now go recover one of my Hawker 400 trips! :laugh:

 

[Twotter76]

Actually the revised award shows the Encore going to #1813 (10/04 hire). Amazing how they can never go a month without revising at least one award. Just looked at the delivery schedule (albeit a dated one) and the upgrades should continue for the near future baring any significant changes in our operation.










Edited cuz I cant speel