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[G4dude]

Oh the irony...

As for spending time with GLC crews, I have put in the time G4. I've done that legwork since '04. Trust me when I say there were a lot of FO's then that didn't support your views and between them the fence post and I welcomed a union on the I side. Now I know times have changed and the fair haired children upgraded nearly every swinging richard on property but I somehow don't think all those attitudes have changed that much. I'm sure some but not all. Have you put your time in with the "crazies"? Might be time to get out of your own echo chamber eh?

The reality of it us if you don't like the tone and direction of YOUR Union, then by all means throw your hat in the ring and get in there and change it. If this came to pass, I'd have to look at it with a very critical eye in light of some of the rhetoric you've espoused on here.

Fair enough, Hogprint.

 

[rajflyboy]

Guys, it is obvious who G4 is or represents........

Amen to that

 

[rajflyboy]

I am very aware of what happens to scabs. I am also aware what happens to all of us if the company goes under. I hope this is all speculation, but I am worried about I am reading from the union side. Are you guys really not aware of how many anti union folks you let into the fold when you forced us to integrate? Are you surprised at my posts? There are lots of pilots here who are more conservative in their views than I. They don't spend time on these boards, because of the personal insults, the desire of the union crazies to only communicate in an "echo chamber", to quote a friend of mine who rarely visits this site. You ought to spend time talking with more of the large cabin Gulfstream crews when you run into them on the road, really pick their brains. You won't like the results.

Large Cabin meaning G Wiz has about enough crews for less than 15 percent of a vote on the next contract. Basically "0" chance to have any affect on the contract >> as long as the other 85 percent are "Paying Attention"

Trust me the other 85 percent are paying attention and we will be doing this after the next contract:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8&ob=av3n

 

[G4dude]

Large Cabin meaning G Wiz has about enough crews for less than 15 percent of a vote on the next contract. Basically "0" chance to have any affect on the contract >> as long as the other 85 percent are "Paying Attention"

Trust me the other 85 percent are paying attention and we will be doing this after the next contract:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8&ob=av3n

Yep, I think you are right. What a shame.

 

[G4dude]

rrrriiiggghhhtttt. instead your job is to lurk on msg boards to influence anyone without a spine......

Eyer is under qualified and spineless. He also lies through his teeth. Only someone else as spineless would consider him a good man. Trust me, I wouldn't consider you or Eyer a man worthy of a handshake.

NJA will be better off when Eyer, Noe and Hansell leave to spend more time with family..... I threw a little party when Sokol left. I'll do the same when these fools leave also.

Instead of sheep shouldn't you be saying Lupites

I flew with Eyer several years ago, and enjoyed the tour. He got a little cranky after becoming a management type, but so would I, I suspect. What is a Lupite? Cheers!

 

[G4dude]

Large Cabin meaning G Wiz has about enough crews for less than 15 percent of a vote on the next contract. Basically "0" chance to have any affect on the contract >> as long as the other 85 percent are "Paying Attention"

Trust me the other 85 percent are paying attention and we will be doing this after the next contract:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8&ob=av3n

You guys have the numbers and the power, no doubt about that. With such overwhelming numbers, I genuinely wonder why y'all react so strongly to little old me. I am just an ant in the afterbirth, to quote a villain in one of my favorite movies, "Manhunter."

 

[BORG]

You guys have the numbers and the power, no doubt about that. With such overwhelming numbers, I genuinely wonder why y'all react so strongly to little old me. I am just an ant in the afterbirth, to quote a villain in one of my favorite movies, "Manhunter."

I suspect the reason that you receive such a strong reaction is because many of us recognize that your ignorance on theses issues are exactly what has led to the downward spiral that plagues the airlines and we want to protect our (and your) careers.

"Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it..."

 

[G4dude]

I suspect the reason that you receive such a strong reaction is because many of us recognize that your ignorance on theses issues are exactly what has led to the downward spiral that plagues the airlines and we want to protect our (and your) careers.

"Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it..."

So which is it, am I a paid union buster, or am I ignorant? Kinda hard to be both, seems to me.

 

[rajflyboy]

Ok people

Lets not even talk to G4 anymore. Lets put him on IGNORE.

We know who he is!

 

[G4dude]

Ok people

Lets not even talk to G4 anymore. Lets put him on IGNORE.

We know who he is!

It must be exhausting to hear the views of someone with whom you disagree. Unless you are a grownup, you IGNORE and stick your fingers in your ears. Too bad, I enjoy the conversations.

 

[fischman]

I enjoy a challenge. So far, I haven't seen one.

 

[LAZYB]

It must be exhausting to hear the views of someone with whom you disagree. Unless you are a grownup, you IGNORE and stick your fingers in your ears. Too bad, I enjoy the conversations.

I thought that Golden Goose blog was keepin ya busy. :smash:

 

[Semore Butts]

Oh G4 Nooooooooo....... Learn the contract dude!

Geez G4, I don't know where to start? Holy Smokes!


Me and my colleagues at the former NJI will fight you tooth and nail if you try this nonsense, especially during these precarious economic times. That is a promise. We will fly overtime, volunteer to help out the company, and do whatever we can to minimize the damage. Enough of this nonsense. If you don't like your job, quit.

So you will bend rest and maintenance rules to help out the company? Try what nonsense? If you are fatigued, you shouldn't be flying. If it's broke, it's broke, period.
(Let me add, I hate when my airplane breaks! It adds alot of stress and basically f$%ks up my day)

There is no doubt that former NJI pilots would overall be willng to fight for the company until the last NJA pilot is gone.

This scope thing must be a bigger issue than I thought. Aren't we just discussing a few more days available in a busy quarter to broker out trips?

That few more days will be at the cost of however many jobs. If you wanna give in on scope, thats your call. But, don't think you ought to learn what the hell it is before you capitulate to it?

(Oh, and when the furloughs come? There will be 20+ "G" CPT's walking the streets before me, don't know how many FO's.)

What a shame. We have one of the best flying jobs in the world, and y'all are going to screw it up. Every time I think I have seen the depths of Union Stupidity Stampeding, something like this gets started.

I think y'all are going to screw it up. Y'all got sold out by this management team you hail so much into a union (Clue #1) Y'all retained or gained your pay and basing (Clue#2) Y'all got upgraded to CPT way ahead of junior NJA guys (Clue #3) Y'all are prently protected by the scope language (Clue #4)

If the plan is indeed to move things to EJM and reduce our aircraft, and go to Globals, you have a buttload of Junior "G" CPTS and FO's that are gonna be in trouble. (No FA to clean the back of that 2 pilot aircraft in your new fleet either)

I'm sorry you didn't get the cards dealt that you wanted, I didn't either. The more untied we get as a group, the faster we will get management and the union pushing in the same direction.

Sorry about the long post, Take care, Semore

 

[G4dude]

Geez G4, I don't know where to start? Holy Smokes!


Me and my colleagues at the former NJI will fight you tooth and nail if you try this nonsense, especially during these precarious economic times. That is a promise. We will fly overtime, volunteer to help out the company, and do whatever we can to minimize the damage. Enough of this nonsense. If you don't like your job, quit.

So you will bend rest and maintenance rules to help out the company? Try what nonsense? If you are fatigued, you shouldn't be flying. If it's broke, it's broke, period.
(Let me add, I hate when my airplane breaks! It adds alot of stress and basically f$%ks up my day)

There is no doubt that former NJI pilots would overall be willng to fight for the company until the last NJA pilot is gone.

This scope thing must be a bigger issue than I thought. Aren't we just discussing a few more days available in a busy quarter to broker out trips?

That few more days will be at the cost of however many jobs. If you wanna give in on scope, thats your call. But, don't think you ought to learn what the hell it is before you capitulate to it?

(Oh, and when the furloughs come? There will be 20+ "G" CPT's walking the streets before me, don't know how many FO's.)

What a shame. We have one of the best flying jobs in the world, and y'all are going to screw it up. Every time I think I have seen the depths of Union Stupidity Stampeding, something like this gets started.

I think y'all are going to screw it up. Y'all got sold out by this management team you hail so much into a union (Clue #1) Y'all retained or gained your pay and basing (Clue#2) Y'all got upgraded to CPT way ahead of junior NJA guys (Clue #3) Y'all are prently protected by the scope language (Clue #4)

If the plan is indeed to move things to EJM and reduce our aircraft, and go to Globals, you have a buttload of Junior "G" CPTS and FO's that are gonna be in trouble. (No FA to clean the back of that 2 pilot aircraft in your new fleet either)

I'm sorry you didn't get the cards dealt that you wanted, I didn't either. The more untied we get as a group, the faster we will get management and the union pushing in the same direction.

Sorry about the long post, Take care, Semore

Man, I would REALLY miss the FAs. They feed and water us, organize our social lives on the road, smell good (the ladies, anyway), and supply a girlish giggle (ladies) every now and then which livens up a 14 hour flight over the Pacific immeasurably! Regarding the Union, so far I have no complaints personally. I am just worried what they might do, that they might go too far, in the economic hard times I think are coming soon. Italy has started to crumble now, and the Italians have the third largest economy in Europe and are saddled with a MASSIVE welfare state.

 

[CA1900]

G4, this union has a history of working with the company to find mutually agreeable solutions to problems. That's what the 2007 IBB contract was all about, and gave the company all kinds of flexibility that the 2005 contract lacked. That's what the Voluntary Measures were all about, which saved millions for the company and averted the furlough until Sokol showed up with his hatchet.

The union is not the problem here. I hope you'll realize that soon.

 

[G4dude]

G4, this union has a history of working with the company to find mutually agreeable solutions to problems. That's what the 2007 IBB contract was all about, and gave the company all kinds of flexibility that the 2005 contract lacked. That's what the Voluntary Measures were all about, which saved millions for the company and averted the furlough until Sokol showed up with his hatchet.

The union is not the problem here. I hope you'll realize that soon.

I hope you are right. I tend to get spooked by the radicals, and forget that most of the union members are normal reasonable people. And I, of course, am ABSOLUTELY normal and reasonable.

 

[rajflyboy]

G4, this union has a history of working with the company to find mutually agreeable solutions to problems. That's what the 2007 IBB contract was all about, and gave the company all kinds of flexibility that the 2005 contract lacked. That's what the Voluntary Measures were all about, which saved millions for the company and averted the furlough until Sokol showed up with his hatchet.

The union is not the problem here. I hope you'll realize that soon.

IBB caused the furlough. Wake up

 

[G4dude]

IBB caused the furlough. Wake up

I was thinking the economy caused the furlough.

 

[BentOver]

I was thinking the economy caused the furlough.

IMO, IBB allowed the company more efficiency. Which, of course, eliminates the need for more and more pilots. did BB cause the furlough? ABSOLUTELY NOT. The economy and Madoff were the cause. If the economy never tanked there would never had been furloughs and NJA would have still been growing even today.

What IBB did was make the job tolerable for the long term SIC's. Which, even today, is hugebecause the duration of being an SIC is only getting longer.

Coming from a long term SIC, if it wasn't for IBB, the NJA SIC's would have been in big trouble today financially.

 

[rajflyboy]

IMO, IBB allowed the company more efficiency. Which, of course, eliminates the need for more and more pilots. did BB cause the furlough? ABSOLUTELY NOT. The economy and Madoff were the cause. If the economy never tanked there would never had been furloughs and NJA would have still been growing even today.

What IBB did was make the job tolerable for the long term SIC's. Which, even today, is hugebecause the duration of being an SIC is only getting longer.

Coming from a long term SIC, if it wasn't for IBB, the NJA SIC's would have been in big trouble today financially.

Patience. None was displayed for IBB. So now here we are. You get what you get because YOU voted for the ********************.