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[rajflyboy]

Add me to the list. But the discussion about salaries in general (at NJA) involve my concern about our ability to compete, which is not affected by shortages or feelings about how much a pilot is worth. If a competitor can staff planes with perfectly adequate pilots for 60 percent of what we pay, we are in a competitive disadvantage, which is a bad thing.

Do you know anything about the financial history of the company during the 2000-2005 contract negotiation? Do you also know what the 06 and 07 profits were?

 

[BentOver]

Do you know anything about the financial history of the company during the 2000-2005 contract negotiation? Do you also know what the 06 and 07 profits were?

G4dude can simply start a fund and give a portion of his salary back to NJA...The rest of us will tell NJA to figure out how to make it work. There's a reason there is a contract and pay rates in place. Management agreed to them and they can figure out how to make NJA competative.

 

[imacdog]

And the simple fact is professionals get professional wages. I fly EMS now and I certainly don't see our nurses (pilots for that matter too) concerned about wanting to take pay cuts to undercut the competition.

 

[Pervis]

There is only one kind of person that would suggest limiting or cutting pilot salaries. Management type.

 

[jonjuan]

they can figure out how to make NJA competative.

Now that's irony right there. imp:

 

[fischman]

How childish. By the way, I DID offer to take a pay cut, to minimize the furloughs. Management said it wouldn't help, because we were simply overstaffed.

HONESTLY!!! Someone PLEASE explain to me WHY PILOTS HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT THAT CONCESSIONS DO NOT SAVE JOBS!?!



Where have you been the last 20 years? When was the last time a pilot offered up his salary and management didn't furlough anyway?

What happens when a concession is offered? The 4Q SEC filings show that the CEO managed to save the company $200 million in salaries, so the BOD gives him a nice $200 million bonus.

STOP GIVING MANAGEMENT YOUR HARD EARNED SALARY!!! GROW UP!!!

 

[CA1900]

Some folks don't learn from others' mistakes.

 

[rajflyboy]

G4dude can simply start a fund and give a portion of his salary back to NJA...The rest of us will tell NJA to figure out how to make it work. There's a reason there is a contract and pay rates in place. Management agreed to them and they can figure out how to make NJA competative.

Right on!

 

[G4dude]

Right on!

See my previous post.

 

[fischman]

What a shock. He doesn't answer my post.

 

[rajflyboy]

See my previous post.

ok Spanky

are you NJW wifey in disguise?

 

[G4dude]

HONESTLY!!! Someone PLEASE explain to me WHY PILOTS HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT THAT CONCESSIONS DO NOT SAVE JOBS!?!



Where have you been the last 20 years? When was the last time a pilot offered up his salary and management didn't furlough anyway?

What happens when a concession is offered? The 4Q SEC filings show that the CEO managed to save the company $200 million in salaries, so the BOD gives him a nice $200 million bonus.

STOP GIVING MANAGEMENT YOUR HARD EARNED SALARY!!! GROW UP!!!

Delta and United both accepted dramatically lower pay in order to survive. There are many more examples, Fischman.

 

[G4dude]

ok Spanky

are you NJW wifey in disguise?

Its funny, I don't agree with NJW on anything, but I admire her passion, her intelligence, and of course, my wife admires her boots.

 

[fischman]

Delta and United both accepted dramatically lower pay in order to survive. There are many more examples, Fischman.

Yeah. Tillmon's Christmas bonus was how much??? Survival is what management made ALPA believe (and they were foolish enough to believe it), when in reality the money went to the golden parachute. Now that Delta is out of trouble, have they given the pilots back what they conceded? No? Huh...

THE ONLY JOB A CONCESSION IS GOING TO SAVE IS HANSELL'S. Not yours.

Seriously, you can't be that dense...

 

[G4dude]

Yeah. Tillmon's Christmas bonus was how much??? Survival is what management made ALPA believe (and they were foolish enough to believe it), when in reality the money went to the golden parachute. Now that Delta is out of trouble, have they given the pilots back what they conceded? No? Huh...

THE ONLY JOB A CONCESSION IS GOING TO SAVE IS HANSELL'S. Not yours.

Seriously, you can't be that dense...

Fair question. What the Delta pilots got was to keep their jobs. I may be dense, but I AM cheerful and dorky.

 

[fischman]

They would have kept their jobs anyway. They were fooled.

But all was not lost. We were able to learn from their mistake at least.

 

[CA1900]

Exactly. Caving on scope is why we have lower-paid contractors doing the bulk of the domestic flying in this country.

I won't stand idly by and "help" the company by allowing them to outsource my job.

 

[BentOver]

Fair question. What the Delta pilots got was to keep their jobs. I may be dense, but I AM cheerful and dorky.

You do realize Delta did lay off north of 800 pilots.

And that not only did United lay off more than 1000. After recall and a small bit of hiring in '06-'07. They promptly furloughed again.

Comair pilots took a pay freeze and lost longetivity in 2005. And took a pay cut in 2006. TO SAVE THEY"RE JOBS.....They will soon be roughly 1/4 the size they once were. And it will take having more than 10 year seniority just to hold junior reserve FO in their most junior base.

Yup, pay cuts and concessions save jobs..

Not to mention USAir, NWA, AA (have had furloughees since 9/11)..

Congratulations. we've now found the most dense pilot at NJA... Tell him what he's won....."It's a brand new vagina!!"

For the non-NJA guys reading...He's maybe 1 out of 20 that think this way.. They're will be no concessions.

 

[Grizz]

I might be willing to entertain a limited scope exclusion in exchange for a restructuring of the seniority list by date of dues payment with corresponding flush bid.

Since G4 keeps posting totally asinine comments, I thought I'd add one to the mix.

 

[fischman]

Fair question. What the Delta pilots got was to keep their jobs. I may be dense, but I AM cheerful and dorky.

Have you heard of RJ's?

That's what happens when you give up scope and outsource your job.