NJA size

[fischman]

At a high end company like NJA, with the amount of work the pilots do, and given that SIC's will be well above 10 yr. SIC's.. I'd say a minimum of #120K for maybe a 15 yr. guy.... After that COLA adjustments.....

I was thinking somewhere around $150,000 to $175,000.

 

[gunfyter]

I was thinking somewhere around $150,000 to $175,000.

Why so low?

 

[rettofly]

What percentage of the pilot salary is in the net cost per hour of flight on these airplanes? It is pitifully small.QUOTE]

$120K for a pilot who flies 500 hrs per year is $240/hr.

Toss in 50$ for fringe benefits and you get $360/hr.

Toss in two pilots making $120K base pay and you're at $720/hr.

I'd call that a bit more than a pitifully small percentage of the cost per flight hour for most corporate aircraft types.

 

[KiddDynomite]

Defeatist attitude? YGTBSM!!!! Seriously. Santulli conceived NJA to be low cost group ownership. This concept of high end didn't come into vogue until around 2000 and that was just to differentiate themselves from the competition. Were you even around during the days leading up to the '05 contract? Boisture had the balls to stand in front of recurrent classes bashing us and telling us straight out, "we don't want you here more than five years!" It was never designed to be a career. If it was the pay would have been better from the beginning but guys ran through the joint like rats in a maze, not one was around long enough to care. Second point, you're a chauffer! Plain and simple! When was the last time you had some owner truly ask you're professional opinion about a flight and take your word for it? It's a rarity and you know it. You're a well paid servant and that's it. If they could convince the owners that $25 an hour Riddle punks who can't cold start a 172 are safe they'd throw them in the seat tomorrow. Just because the people we fly around are loaded doesn't mean they light cigars with hundred dollar bills. They're smart with money and that's why they have it! When a better deal comes along they'll jump and don't give me the safety thing! All the fractionals are safe! Give me a break!

 

[BentOver]

I was thinking somewhere around $150,000 to $175,000.

I would love it...But I don't see Captains making $200K+ to fly a Phenom, -400 or Ultra.. (or whatever the heck else NJA flies these days)..

I think the best course is to have every pilot payed as a Captain, starting at the current SIC new hire pay. And ending at whatever the Captain pay scale tops out at... Provides excellent career expectations...

Year 1 Captain makes $60K+
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10 years, $150K (or whatever it currently is)
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17 years, whatver the top is.


NJA is slightly different than a legacy. No reason we can't have all Captains. The junior guy just has to be the "acting" co-pilot. And will never be "in charge" until he flies with someone junior to him. Which would require new-hires etc. Just like it is now with two PIC's paired together...

Also provides greater scheduling flexibility.

 

[jonjuan]

I was thinking somewhere around $150,000 to $175,000.

For a 3 year career? Not to shabby.

 

[glasspilot]

Too!

...not TOO shabby.

For the love of Jesus. Is to, too, and two too complicated!!!

 

[jonjuan]

Is to, too, and two too complicated!!!

Should be a ? after your rant there big guy.

For the love of Mohammed.

 

[fischman]

I would love it...But I don't see Captains making $200K+ to fly a Phenom, -400 or Ultra.. (or whatever the heck else NJA flies these days)..

I do.

 

[imacdog]

Defeatist attitude? YGTBSM!!!! Seriously. Santulli conceived NJA to be low cost group ownership. This concept of high end didn't come into vogue until around 2000 and that was just to differentiate themselves from the competition. Were you even around during the days leading up to the '05 contract? Boisture had the balls to stand in front of recurrent classes bashing us and telling us straight out, "we don't want you here more than five years!" It was never designed to be a career. If it was the pay would have been better from the beginning but guys ran through the joint like rats in a maze, not one was around long enough to care. Second point, you're a chauffer! Plain and simple! When was the last time you had some owner truly ask you're professional opinion about a flight and take your word for it? It's a rarity and you know it. You're a well paid servant and that's it. If they could convince the owners that $25 an hour Riddle punks who can't cold start a 172 are safe they'd throw them in the seat tomorrow. Just because the people we fly around are loaded doesn't mean they light cigars with hundred dollar bills. They're smart with money and that's why they have it! When a better deal comes along they'll jump and don't give me the safety thing! All the fractionals are safe! Give me a break!

I have a feeling that most managers in aviation would like to tell their employees that they don't want them to stick around for more than five years and that pay must be low due to their business model. Fortunately, most pilots are not stupid enough to go along with that premise and understand the importance, responsibility, and liability of the work they do. You, apparently, are not one of them.