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[jonjuan]

I was thinking somewhere around $150,000 to $175,000.

For a 3 year career? Not to shabby.

 

[glasspilot]

Too!

...not TOO shabby.

For the love of Jesus. Is to, too, and two too complicated!!!

 

[jonjuan]

Is to, too, and two too complicated!!!

Should be a ? after your rant there big guy.

For the love of Mohammed.

 

[fischman]

I would love it...But I don't see Captains making $200K+ to fly a Phenom, -400 or Ultra.. (or whatever the heck else NJA flies these days)..

I do.

 

[imacdog]

Defeatist attitude? YGTBSM!!!! Seriously. Santulli conceived NJA to be low cost group ownership. This concept of high end didn't come into vogue until around 2000 and that was just to differentiate themselves from the competition. Were you even around during the days leading up to the '05 contract? Boisture had the balls to stand in front of recurrent classes bashing us and telling us straight out, "we don't want you here more than five years!" It was never designed to be a career. If it was the pay would have been better from the beginning but guys ran through the joint like rats in a maze, not one was around long enough to care. Second point, you're a chauffer! Plain and simple! When was the last time you had some owner truly ask you're professional opinion about a flight and take your word for it? It's a rarity and you know it. You're a well paid servant and that's it. If they could convince the owners that $25 an hour Riddle punks who can't cold start a 172 are safe they'd throw them in the seat tomorrow. Just because the people we fly around are loaded doesn't mean they light cigars with hundred dollar bills. They're smart with money and that's why they have it! When a better deal comes along they'll jump and don't give me the safety thing! All the fractionals are safe! Give me a break!

I have a feeling that most managers in aviation would like to tell their employees that they don't want them to stick around for more than five years and that pay must be low due to their business model. Fortunately, most pilots are not stupid enough to go along with that premise and understand the importance, responsibility, and liability of the work they do. You, apparently, are not one of them.

 

[jtf]

What percentage of the pilot salary is in the net cost per hour of flight on these airplanes? It is pitifully small.QUOTE]

$120K for a pilot who flies 500 hrs per year is $240/hr.

Toss in 50$ for fringe benefits and you get $360/hr.

Toss in two pilots making $120K base pay and you're at $720/hr.

I'd call that a bit more than a pitifully small percentage of the cost per flight hour for most corporate aircraft types.

That is about 10 percent of what the they pay per hour on the Excel. That is about 5 percent of what they pay per hour on the big G's. That is still quite a small percentage of what NJA customers pay. I hope the guys and gals here will be willing to do whatever is necessary to push the wages up. I don't know how much you think you are worth, but I know I'm worth a heck of a lot more than I'm making now and I'm willing to do what it takes to make it happen. If it isn't at NJA, it will be somewhere else.

 

[glasspilot]

I love how pilots overestimate their worth. Why are you stopping at $250K? Why not $35 Million. What we do has to be more valuable than a Baseball Pitcher or a Hockey Goalie. Those are games and lives are not on the line. How about an actor? They're just pretending! How could that be worth more than a professional pilot who gets people around safely?

Heck, Bill Gates just lined up some ones and zeros...hows that worth more than a pilot??? We should definitely make more than HIM!!

 

[glasspilot]

Should be a ? after your rant there big guy.

For the love of Mohammed.

Nope, exclamation marks trump question marks. I wrote exactly what I meant...big guy.


IKYNTLWSGAAPI

 

[jonjuan]

I do.

Good luck with that dream. Margins are shrinking, not growing.

 

[jonjuan]

Nope, exclamation marks trump question marks. I wrote exactly what I meant...big guy.


IKYNTLWSGAAPI

Yet another glowing endorsement of inner city public education.

 

[jonjuan]

I love how pilots overestimate their worth. Why are you stopping at $250K? Why not $35 Million. What we do has to be more valuable than a Baseball Pitcher or a Hockey Goalie. Those are games and lives are not on the line. How about an actor? They're just pretending! How could that be worth more than a professional pilot who gets people around safely?

Heck, Bill Gates just lined up some ones and zeros...hows that worth more than a pilot??? We should definitely make more than HIM!!

Someone's nervous at the stock price of his company. Market of $25MM? NJA could trade one used G-IV for your entire company.

 

[BentOver]

Someone's nervous at the stock price of his company. Market of $25MM? NJA could trade one used G-IV for your entire company.

giggle giggle:beer:

 

[glasspilot]

Yet another glowing endorsement of inner city public education.

Yeah, my education is the one that's lacking. At least my inner city public education wasn't "to shabby".

 

[KiddDynomite]

I have a feeling that most managers in aviation would like to tell their employees that they don't want them to stick around for more than five years and that pay must be low due to their business model. Fortunately, most pilots are not stupid enough to go along with that premise and understand the importance, responsibility, and liability of the work they do. You, apparently, are not one of them.

Well Let's see I'm not one of them. Hmmmm....... Let's try and real. There is a market cap on labor just as there is a market cap on services and goods. I want to hear an honest number for an FO position? First off we have a finite market. Second we have competition that are already way below us in price and just as safe. Third we have an aging fleet and the company is shrinking. Sorry but this is not a formula for massive pay increases. Do you not realize the times we are living in? By every definition we are in a depression not a recession and the number of clients out there for our service is also shrinking not growing. This has absolutely nothing to do with ability, responsibility or liability. How about the regionals? Last time I checked they fly pretty sophisticated equipment and make $hit! This has nothing to do with anything but the fact that you guys came to NJA a little too late and now you're stuck in the right seat and pissed about it. Not my fault your timing sucks. It's just the way it is.

 

[glasspilot]

Nice post KiddD. Couldn't have said it better.