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[glasspilot]

What's the ideal top end for FO pay?

 

[BentOver]

At a high end company like NJA, with the amount of work the pilots do, and given that SIC's will be well above 10 yr. SIC's.. I'd say a minimum of #120K for maybe a 15 yr. guy.... After that COLA adjustments.....

 

[KiddDynomite]

At a high end company like NJA, with the amount of work the pilots do, and given that SIC's will be well above 10 yr. SIC's.. I'd say a minimum of #120K for maybe a 15 yr. guy.... After that COLA adjustments.....

It will never happen! NJA was never designed to be a career, that happened through default and then the efforts of our union. There is a price point where customers will not payand add in an aging fleet and you have a recipe for further shrinking. I personally think we have maybe another 10-15% and then we reached our ceiling. No cuts whatsoever but you know this management team is going to be bunning for them!

 

[jtf]

What percentage of the pilot salary is in the net cost per hour of flight on these airplanes? It is pitifully small. Sure the prices may have to bump up, but if the company was doing their job of keeping the pax happy with new airframes and not screwing them over so often, then I would have to believe they would be willing to pay a little more. We are only worth what we negotiate and I think we could do better than another 10 to 15 percent by the time we actually have a new contract. I'm not saying we will do better, just that I believe we could. Either way, I do think a sizable portion of us right seaters will bolt and probably before there is another deal. I am not opposed to living in Asia if that is what I have to do to get paid what I think I'm worth so I will keep monitoring the foreign front. I'm not sure what my price is, but I do have a price and my current pay is well below it. I honestly think the pay should be all seniority based at NJA and not based on your seat since we are all deemed to be captains in the advertising. Just a single scale that goes up every year with us all wearing a 4th stripe. Even if the bottom is similar to the current SIC scale, it would still be fair since you still start with zero time and seniority and there won't be an SIC currently on property with less than 10 years by the time we negotiate a new contract.

 

[imacdog]

It will never happen! NJA was never designed to be a career, that happened through default and then the efforts of our union.

What a defeatist attitude. You're saying that flying high end clients in advanced business jets across the country and world isn't a career position?

 

[jonjuan]

What a defeatist attitude. You're saying that flying high end clients in advanced business jets across the country and world isn't a career position?

Make sure to tell your mortgage company that.

 

[glasspilot]

Maybe you shouldn't have such a big mortgage. Almost sounds like you support getting that loan based on future earnings.

 

[imacdog]

Make sure to tell your mortgage company that.

My mortgage company gets their payment on time because A) I did not purchase too much for what I made, B) I don't spend everything I make and therefore have savings for a rainy day, and C) I currently fly for a company where my services are valued enough to be paid appropriately.

 

[G4dude]

Why would NJA want to keep 10 year FOs on the property?

Great question! I hadn't thought of it that way. Attrition followed by hiring new FOs is probably what NJA wants. Hmmm.

 

[BentOver]

Great question! I hadn't thought of it that way. Attrition followed by hiring new FOs is probably what NJA wants. Hmmm.

Thats pretty much what any company wants.... No need to keep top pay guys, when the lower seniority guys do the same job for cheaper....Or new hires "just giddy to be here."

I'm sure NJA management already knows they will have 400+ "not as giddy as they once were" guys on their hands if a majority were to accept a recall..If indeed one does happen as planned..