So imac, I'm an idiot, really. Well let's see I flew the pledge and was nearly fired, I fought for what we have, did you? No, so take your attitude elsewhere. I personally voted no for '05 and IBB both. Why? because there was more to be had and divifing the pilot group was a crappy idea. Times have changed, NJA has changed. We are no longer expanding. I am not advocating concessions but I can sure tell you that you're not going to see the wages you're talking about. When every other fractional pays less, charges less for the same service you better start to worry. If you really want to know you guys are going to be sold down the river so we can keep what we have and the junior captains will probably be downgraded. Reality sucks but that's where we live. Did you ever fly for a regional? If you did then why do you think you're worth something now and not back then? You guys crack me up. There's more to the equation than just money. I hate to tell you but unless you have about 200 guys in front of you, you're never coming back. The model is done. It's broken and the clowns running the show aren't doing anything to change that. This model can only support so much, a true fair wage is what the 18 day schedule pays. That's the number the 7 and 7 should be. So you can throw all the darts you want, we live in reality join the rest us in it!