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[OPECJet]

I'd let them get me current and buy me another type. After that, we'll see ya later.....

 

[cldsfr79]

I would be willing to bet that lots of current NJA pilots end up at AA whenever AA starts hiring again. Things should get interesting in the next few years.

That would be me. (I hope).

 

[CE750Driver]

Heading back to American. Gonna miss the basing, but the money difference is too great.

Netjets pay was never designed for career first officers.

What is the average percentage difference from Captain to FO at the majors? What is it at NJA?

Just askin.......

 

[emspilot 01]

Leaving NetJets

That would be me. (I hope).

Ditto, I would have to agree. Get the hell out of fractionals or charter and get back to airlines.

 

[Abbey]

What is the average percentage difference from Captain to FO at the majors? What is it at NJA?

Just askin.......

Good thinking. 60-65% The problem is that the captain pay is watered down, thus driving the FO pay down. FO pay tops out at year 10 with zero COLA. The FO's that are left will all be at that mark in two/three years.

Can you make a living as a FO at NJA? You bet you can. Is 10+ years in the right seat of a Cessna or Beechjet a career stopper? Absolutely.

 

[gunfyter]

When we extend the CBA ... maybe they will throw in an LOA that after you top out the FO scale at 10 years ... everyone moves over to the Captains pay scale? Comes with the 10 year wings...

Makes sense ... You are on year 11 but no appropriate pay on our scale ... you default to the only other option.

 

[jtf]

That would be great. That would also shock the heck out of me. This management team is all about saving money and that would definitely cost. I would rate it more likely that they look for more ways of downgrading current captains. We have already had 2 SICs leave for AirAsia and my guess is we start to see a lot more bailing for better opportunities in the near future. I know I am looking far and wide. I really prefer this job, but the companies latest forecast through 2021 most likely would still have me in the right seat and while I would gladly stay for captain pay, I don't see the union using much negotiating capital to get a few hundred SICs captain pay. I'm sure the union will get some improvement for SICs eventually, but most likely it will just be scales that go as far as the captains scales for years of service. By the time even that is negotiated I'd probably be instantly at the top of those rates and stuck there for a while too. I hope I'm wrong and you are right, Gunfyter. That would make my career prospects vastly better.

 

[G4dude]

When we extend the CBA ... maybe they will throw in an LOA that after you top out the FO scale at 10 years ... everyone moves over to the Captains pay scale? Comes with the 10 year wings...

Makes sense ... You are on year 11 but no appropriate pay on our scale ... you default to the only other option.

I bet NJA and the Union will do something like what you are suggesting, making the decision to stay at NetJets much more palatable. I would stay anyway, if I were an FO here. I think. The airlines are so unstable historically, they just don't seem a good bet compared to NetJets.

 

[Jack Campbell]

I bet NJA and the Union will do something like what you are suggesting, making the decision to stay at NetJets much more palatable. I would stay anyway, if I were an FO here. I think. The airlines are so unstable historically, they just don't seem a good bet compared to NetJets.

With all respect, how can you say you would stay anyway if you were an FO? You are a Captain on the largest airplane NJ currently flies, that also happens to have trips to the most exotic locations and you have an F/A to take care of the cabin and the owners (not to say that the pilots don't, but your job on an attended airplane is different than a non-attended airplane), so I'm sure you can see how someone would think its pretty bold and arrogant to say what you would do if you were making 25% less. Your NJ experience is likely very different than someone who was hired in 2007/8. I am furloughed and loved my job at NJ, but I don't know if I can afford to sit in the right seat of a non-APU small jet 10 years. It would be great if they just upgraded FO pay to Captain rates after 10 years, but its not gonna happen. What incentive would NJ have to raise our pay by so much when they can just give 3% or COLA until we upgrade?

 

[jetlag7]

Heck, even if they put us at the bottom of the Captain's payscales in year 11 (an 11-year FO is paid year 1 Captain wages) that might slow the exodus a bit...

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