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jetlag7 said:
Just a few short years ago, NJ was a GREAT place to work.

If you're a Captain, it's still a Good place to work (not great), but if you're an FO, I'd say it's merely an OK place to work.
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Exactly. FO pay is marginal with no hope of upgrading and a real possibility of being furloughed. The exodus is just at beginning stages, but it is beginning. I am heading back to the airlines shortly.
 
RideandDrive said:
Exactly. FO pay is marginal with no hope of upgrading and a real possibility of being furloughed. The exodus is just at beginning stages, but it is beginning. I am heading back to the airlines shortly.
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Any idea where to?

I agree, by the time NJA even could possibly recall..(doubtful) anyone that went to an airline would either be upgraded at that airline OR be a senior FO making more than NJA and working less days, with travel benefits... Only big deal about NJA was the homebasing, 401k match and med. benefits..

But to be honest, my small 135 outfit now has similar med. plans.. We pay $240 out of pocket, but the co-pay is $0.. so it is nearly as good.

Homebasing...well now we'll have to possibly commute..that's life..
 
Heading back to American. Gonna miss the basing, but the money difference is too great.

Netjets pay was never designed for career first officers.
 
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RideandDrive said:
Heading back to American. Gonna miss the basing, but the money difference is too great.

Netjets pay was never designed for career first officers.
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Congrats and best of luck... I've heard that a few places will be losing guys back to AA.. (Well NJA and JetBlue, I think that's a few or a couple??!)

I'd go back to AA and never look back.

For me, the airlines stopped hiring just as I was leaving the regional world behind. Netjets was a decent consolation prize, enhanced by IBB (I was hired before IBB), but I have realized I'm an airline guy and really hope to get back into 121.

One could be at NJA or better pay within 2 or 3 years of airline service. It's just first year airline pay that is a difficult pill to swallow.
 
I'd let them get me current and buy me another type. After that, we'll see ya later.....
 
CE750Driver said:
What is the average percentage difference from Captain to FO at the majors? What is it at NJA?

Just askin.......
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Good thinking. 60-65% The problem is that the captain pay is watered down, thus driving the FO pay down. FO pay tops out at year 10 with zero COLA. The FO's that are left will all be at that mark in two/three years.

Can you make a living as a FO at NJA? You bet you can. Is 10+ years in the right seat of a Cessna or Beechjet a career stopper? Absolutely.
 
When we extend the CBA ... maybe they will throw in an LOA that after you top out the FO scale at 10 years ... everyone moves over to the Captains pay scale? Comes with the 10 year wings...

Makes sense ... You are on year 11 but no appropriate pay on our scale ... you default to the only other option.
 
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That would be great. That would also shock the heck out of me. This management team is all about saving money and that would definitely cost. I would rate it more likely that they look for more ways of downgrading current captains. We have already had 2 SICs leave for AirAsia and my guess is we start to see a lot more bailing for better opportunities in the near future. I know I am looking far and wide. I really prefer this job, but the companies latest forecast through 2021 most likely would still have me in the right seat and while I would gladly stay for captain pay, I don't see the union using much negotiating capital to get a few hundred SICs captain pay. I'm sure the union will get some improvement for SICs eventually, but most likely it will just be scales that go as far as the captains scales for years of service. By the time even that is negotiated I'd probably be instantly at the top of those rates and stuck there for a while too. I hope I'm wrong and you are right, Gunfyter. That would make my career prospects vastly better.
 
gunfyter said:
When we extend the CBA ... maybe they will throw in an LOA that after you top out the FO scale at 10 years ... everyone moves over to the Captains pay scale? Comes with the 10 year wings...

Makes sense ... You are on year 11 but no appropriate pay on our scale ... you default to the only other option.
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I bet NJA and the Union will do something like what you are suggesting, making the decision to stay at NetJets much more palatable. I would stay anyway, if I were an FO here. I think. The airlines are so unstable historically, they just don't seem a good bet compared to NetJets.
 
G4dude said:
I bet NJA and the Union will do something like what you are suggesting, making the decision to stay at NetJets much more palatable. I would stay anyway, if I were an FO here. I think. The airlines are so unstable historically, they just don't seem a good bet compared to NetJets.
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With all respect, how can you say you would stay anyway if you were an FO? You are a Captain on the largest airplane NJ currently flies, that also happens to have trips to the most exotic locations and you have an F/A to take care of the cabin and the owners (not to say that the pilots don't, but your job on an attended airplane is different than a non-attended airplane), so I'm sure you can see how someone would think its pretty bold and arrogant to say what you would do if you were making 25% less. Your NJ experience is likely very different than someone who was hired in 2007/8. I am furloughed and loved my job at NJ, but I don't know if I can afford to sit in the right seat of a non-APU small jet 10 years. It would be great if they just upgraded FO pay to Captain rates after 10 years, but its not gonna happen. What incentive would NJ have to raise our pay by so much when they can just give 3% or COLA until we upgrade?
 
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Heck, even if they put us at the bottom of the Captain's payscales in year 11 (an 11-year FO is paid year 1 Captain wages) that might slow the exodus a bit...

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