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[BentOver]

Since I first got hired I thought about having everyone on a Captain scale and all be 4 stripers....


There would be no real difference than now when two PIC's are paired together.... Adjust all the payscales accordingly, and maybe make everyone be an SIC for a year (or two even) I know after the first year I felt very comfortable with the operation... (and remember they had new hires go straight to captain back in the day).....

We would all have acceptable career expectations... And the schedulers would have a far greater ability to cover flights having unlimited crew pairing ability....

 

[glasspilot]

They could also make the airplanes out of chocolate. That way if you crash in a remote location you have food to eat...chocolate.

I think my idea will happen before yours.

 

[OPECJet]

They could also make the airplanes out of chocolate. That way if you crash in a remote location you have food to eat...chocolate.

I think my idea will happen before yours.

Yeah, but the chocolate would melt in a post crash fire.

You're right about the last statement though....

 

[NachoMamma]

Yeah, but the chocolate would melt in a post crash fire.

....:laugh:

 

[G4dude]

With all respect, how can you say you would stay anyway if you were an FO? You are a Captain on the largest airplane NJ currently flies, that also happens to have trips to the most exotic locations and you have an F/A to take care of the cabin and the owners (not to say that the pilots don't, but your job on an attended airplane is different than a non-attended airplane), so I'm sure you can see how someone would think its pretty bold and arrogant to say what you would do if you were making 25% less. Your NJ experience is likely very different than someone who was hired in 2007/8. I am furloughed and loved my job at NJ, but I don't know if I can afford to sit in the right seat of a non-APU small jet 10 years. It would be great if they just upgraded FO pay to Captain rates after 10 years, but its not gonna happen. What incentive would NJ have to raise our pay by so much when they can just give 3% or COLA until we upgrade?

I am just worried about the stability of the airlines, with the world now entering a recession. What you are saying is true, but the airline alternative, I believe, is too risky. By the way, and no offense taken, but I am not a spoiled unrealistic pilot who never had to struggle. I had a HORRIBLE career until shortly before I arrived at NJI. For me, NetJets was and is nothing short of a life saver.

 

[G4dude]

With all respect, how can you say you would stay anyway if you were an FO? You are a Captain on the largest airplane NJ currently flies, that also happens to have trips to the most exotic locations and you have an F/A to take care of the cabin and the owners (not to say that the pilots don't, but your job on an attended airplane is different than a non-attended airplane), so I'm sure you can see how someone would think its pretty bold and arrogant to say what you would do if you were making 25% less. Your NJ experience is likely very different than someone who was hired in 2007/8. I am furloughed and loved my job at NJ, but I don't know if I can afford to sit in the right seat of a non-APU small jet 10 years. It would be great if they just upgraded FO pay to Captain rates after 10 years, but its not gonna happen. What incentive would NJ have to raise our pay by so much when they can just give 3% or COLA until we upgrade?

I actually think NJA will offer to increase FO pay to nearly captain levels, similar to the airlines. Otherwise, there will be massive attrition of FOs to AA, SW, etc.

 

[OPECJet]

I actually think NJA will offer to increase FO pay to nearly captain levels, similar to the airlines. Otherwise, there will be massive attrition of FOs to AA, SW, etc.

What airline has done that?

 

[Helmsalee]

They haven't.

What he may be referring to is that the majors have many a/c types from relatively small (MD-88, etc) to very large. Each has it's own pay scale. FO pay generally hovers around 60-70% of Capt so you can find, for example, 777 FOs who make more than some of the low end Capts. And international carries more prestege (not to mention working fewer days and other perks) than in and out of the hub 5-6 legs a day.

So you find many who could hold Capt who chose to remain FOs.

Helm

 

[gunfyter]

I actually think NJA will offer to increase FO pay to nearly captain levels, similar to the airlines. Otherwise, there will be massive attrition of FOs to AA, SW, etc.

I think something like that is possible.

There is no need to adjust PIC pay as they can simply extend the CBA till 2016. But if attrition of SICs becomes an issue, an LOA to adjust that pay ... maybe extend beyond year 10 ... something to make it not worth it to move to another carrier.

Of course if the economy stays bad ... they may like attrition.

 

[OPECJet]

Why would NJA want to keep 10 year FOs on the property?

 

[BentOver]

Why would NJA want to keep 10 year FOs on the property?

I agree, they don't....

Attrition will happen. Many at NJA came because they wanted out of the regionals and thought NJA would be an easy way to upgrade get the PIC time and move on to a major....

For some NJA was never a intentional career move. But unfortunately the rate that Majors (SWA/JB) are/will hire is going to be very slow and dilluted with applicants. I think although many want to move on, they will be unable to for a long while.

 

[gunfyter]

You " pilot shortage deniers" are just like the Global Warming deniers... :crying:

 

[rajflyboy]

why the hell would management want to keep 10 year pic's if they could have 10 year sic's ??

doesn't jive at all

10 year sic's are less overhead. End of story

Duhhhhhhhhhh

I mean WTF

 

[Willy21]

Why would NJA want to keep 10 year FOs on the property?

Who is going to replace the 10 year FOs? I would be willing to bet that most of the furloughed guys will find other places and not come back. The pool of RJ FOs is not going to come over due to the eternal upgrade picture and the prospect of a job at a major? Add into the mix the bad experience many people had with the interview process last time we hired and you can see why they want to keep those 10 year FOs. I think if FOs start leaving in mass, Bridgeway could be in a tight spot quick.

 

[BentOver]

Who is going to replace the 10 year FOs? I would be willing to bet that most of the furloughed guys will find other places and not come back. The pool of RJ FOs is not going to come over due to the eternal upgrade picture and the prospect of a job at a major? Add into the mix the bad experience many people had with the interview process last time we hired and you can see why they want to keep those 10 year FOs. I think if FOs start leaving in mass, Bridgeway could be in a tight spot quick.

There would still be regional FO's willing to come...Too many pilots and not enough Legacy jobs... Plus the SIC pay at NJA is quite a bit better than both PIC/SIC regional pay. Plus benefits... No matter how it shakes down, NJa is still better than a regional.

NJA wouldn't be getting the thousands of resumes, but I bet they'd get enough to fill a few hundred spots. Personally for my own sake I hope many many leave NJA.....

But I definitely agree that the last time they hired they really screwed the pooch. I had many friends saying WTF is wrong with their hiring department!!