NJA size

[rajflyboy]

Officially off the deep end.... Anything this fool posts from now on has zero credibility....

BTW..If IBB had been voted down it would have been one of the all time worst votes of all time...The fact that you voted no just shows your lack of sound judgement.

Kidd is right on

Its you that is the fool. IBB was nothing more than a way for 2 union members to go to management. Many were fooled including you. Way too much was given up in the IBB bull********************. Trust me in saying the vote next time will be much much different. Obviously you are not paying attention to the ship and who is on it and where it is going.

We don't want to hear your ass complain about the NJI mess either. You voted for it and you got what you wanted.

SIC pay and basing could have been had without giving up everything else. So don't come on here and talk about pay because its total bull********************. Good luck on the next contract vote.

 

[BentOver]

Kidd is right on

Its you that is the fool. IBB was nothing more than a way for 2 union members to go to management. Many were fooled including you. Way too much was given up in the IBB bull********************. Trust me in saying the vote next time will be much much different. Obviously you are not paying attention to the ship and who is on it and where it is going.

We don't want to hear your ass complain about the NJI mess either. You voted for it and you got what you wanted.

SIC pay and basing could have been had without giving up everything else. So don't come on here and talk about pay because its total bull********************. Good luck on the next contract vote.

Spend from '05 until atleast 2010 at an unliveable wage commuting to 1/5 bases. And then try to negotiate something better in 2010 during the worst economic recession since the depression.. OR... Have an atleast acceptable wage from '07-'16, with acceptable basing scenario.....

Obviously you were already a captain who had "gotten theirs"...

Sorry you were outvoted by a large large margin...... I guess you just think you're smarter than the large majority.

So I guess there are now 2 NJA pilots on an anonymous board willing to sell SIC's down the river next vote.... Why don't you two go public on NJASAP or NJPilots.org...See how far you get.

 

[NJAowner]

SIC increases

Have no bone in this fight, but just go through the following:

NJA wants to get smaller
Smaller = fewer aircraft
fewer aircraft = fewer pilots needed by employer (if pilots per a/c do not increase)

fewer pilots needed by empoloyer usually does not mean raises for those remaining

Just about everyone on the planets things they are underpaid.

 

[rajflyboy]

Spend from '05 until atleast 2010 at an unliveable wage commuting to 1/5 bases. And then try to negotiate something better in 2010 during the worst economic recession since the depression.. OR... Have an atleast acceptable wage from '07-'16, with acceptable basing scenario.....

Obviously you were already a captain who had "gotten theirs"...

Sorry you were outvoted by a large large margin...... I guess you just think you're smarter than the large majority.

So I guess there are now 2 NJA pilots on an anonymous board willing to sell SIC's down the river next vote.... Why don't you two go public on NJASAP or NJPilots.org...See how far you get.

Try one impatient one whom can't read. Who said negotiate a contract in 2010? Nobody said a damn thing stating that?

 

[rajflyboy]

Have no bone in this fight, but just go through the following:

NJA wants to get smaller
Smaller = fewer aircraft
fewer aircraft = fewer pilots needed by employer (if pilots per a/c do not increase)

fewer pilots needed by empoloyer usually does not mean raises for those remaining

Just about everyone on the planets things they are underpaid.

Well said. Most of us will be happy just to maintain our current contract.

 

[gunfyter]

We are locked in till 2016 anyway.... I would be shocked if negotiations opened up before then and we got raises when they don't have to....

By then we are talking a whole different economy.

 

[Semore Butts]

Well said. Most of us will be happy just to maintain our current contract.

I think you're speaking for "most" of yourself.

Besides money, there are alot of issues that need to be addressed on the next contract, whenever that may be?

I.E. FO pay over 10 years? Scheduling? (Just to name a couple)

Jeez man, wake up!

"Most of us".......That's laughable.

 

[BentOver]

Try one impatient one whom can't read. Who said negotiate a contract in 2010? Nobody said a damn thing stating that?

By 2010 I meant that if IBB didn't pass. The next amendable date to the contract was to start in 2010... Sure IBB could have had some changes in it. But to think we would have gotten a better deal if we waited is highly debatable.....



NJAOwner..FWIW, based on the most recent communications, NJA is not intent on remaining smaller. Whether or not their "plan" works, or if they are competely lying to the group is also debatable. But there are "no intentions" of reducing staffing. I don't 100% believe them, but I'm not about to arbitrarily resign my seniority number either.

All I know is that for around 1000 pilots at NJA (SIC's), IBB was a very good product for us to support. And then there were the other PIC's that passed it with an astounding majority. If it had not passed, our SIC's would all be making much less than they are now, and most would have had to commute to 1 of 5 bases up until maybe last year. The whole reason for IBB was to curtail the attrition of SIC's because they had such a ********************ty deal from '05 and earlier.

 

[gret]

I think you're speaking for "most" of yourself.

Besides money, there are alot of issues that need to be addressed on the next contract, whenever that may be?

I.E. FO pay over 10 years? Scheduling? (Just to name a couple)

Jeez man, wake up!

"Most of us".......That's laughable.

...and the mere thought of lay-offs, buyouts, and parking a/c was laughable not too many years ago.

Owners leaving in droves, those remaining unhappy, and really no new a/c in almost 4 years....is that laughable too?

 

[Semore Butts]

...and the mere thought of lay-offs, buyouts, and parking a/c was laughable not too m

Don't know where you got that from my post?

So, you think that most pilots are satisfied with the contract?