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[G4dude]

If you crash the company, we have NOWHERE to go in this economy.

 

[jtf]

I will be in the first wave out the back door. I will fight for what the contract promises and do what I have to do to enforce it. I will put my comb away and help with the poor scheduling when management stops attacking my contract. I can accept furlough if it is due to the shrinking overall- not shifting my work within the company umbrella. Unfortunately the RLA that we work under doesn't really protect the contract and it takes tougher action to enforce. I can accept the occasional bone head moves by management that cause some grievances, but there are not just some anymore. Management is actively attacking the contract and simply taking concessions through the arbitration process. I will do my best to not let this happen. More and more eyes are opening and coming to the same conclusion. Good luck covering all the lowly Cessnas and Hawkers with the big Gulfsteams. I guess I'm willing to test the market and would rather take my chances than accept a weakened contact. All management has to do to change my actions is live within the contract. Is that really asking too much?

 

[BORG]

This scope thing must be a bigger issue than I thought. Aren't we just discussing a few more days available in a busy quarter to broker out trips?

If you really don't understand how big an issue scope is, I implore you to educate yourself. Those of us with primarily corporate backgrounds haven't necessarily been exposed to the issue as much as those at the airlines, however we should learn from the airlines' mistakes.

I was forced to learn about scope the hard way when I, and EVERY other pilot at Midwest Airlines, were replaced by Republic pilots who flew jets painted in our colors, with our name (they even dropped the "Connection" from Midwest Connection) on our routes, with our passengers (booked through Midwest reservations agents and boarded through Midwest gates) while we were furloughed because we refused to take 40-80% pay cuts and because we had a weak scope clause.

Just like the current NJA situation it started small, in our case with Republic providing feeder services, then code share. It wasn't long before they were flying on routes that were previously served by our B717s and MD80s in their own 99 seat E190s for a fraction of the pay we were making. Midwest management had no reason to negotiate reasonable pay rates with the Midwest pilot group because they had a replacement group lined up that was willing to do it for a much lower rate. While, like you, I am in favor of the free market ideas that allowed this to happen, I believe we need to protect what we've worked hard to get lest we replicate the race to the bottom that the airlines are running.

Is this what they have in mind for NJA/EJM? I don't know, but I don't think we can afford to give the company the wiggle room to even allow the possibility of this. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me..."

 

[hockeypilot44]

Delta and United both accepted dramatically lower pay in order to survive. There are many more examples, Fischman.

The Delta and United pilots accepted concessions to avoid bankruptcy. ALPA convinced the pilot groups that if the companies filed for bankruptcy, their pensions would be destroyed. The companies filed for bankruptcy anyway. In the long run, those concessions were huge mistakes.

 

[gunfyter]

Nice post Borg.

 

[imacdog]

If you crash the company, we have NOWHERE to go in this economy.

Think about that a bit when you decide to throw your fellow pilots under the bus.

 

[RTRHD]

If you crash the company, we have NOWHERE to go in this economy.

Some one we know would buy back NJI.

 

[BentOver]

What a shame. We have one of the best flying jobs in the world, and y'all are going to screw it up.

Correction...had one of the best flying jobs.....Management is screwing it up..

As to your following post. Yes the economy is tough, jobs are tough. Many of the 495 are still outta work. But ya know what? Even those guys are saying "NO" to this absurd demand from management.

On the other hand, many have found work also. Personally, I found a job that pays more, works less, and allows me to be home more.

The one and only reason I want to come back to NJA is to live where I want. Unfortunately there is not a whole lot of aviation opportunities where I'm from. But I'll stay where I'm at for as long as it takes, maybe forever, if it means being able to look ourselves in the mirror.

You see, I have a spine and am very passionate about my fellow co-workers.

 

[BentOver]

I think G4 is managment or closely tied to management.. Probably a personal "friend" of the idiots at Bridegway...

His posts, and his history of posts dating back 6+ years have never been positive about the Union. Almost all of his posts are focused around '05 and '11......

 

[rajflyboy]

Let G4 be in his "Wet Dream" and the rest of us will make sure that he and his "FEW" buddies on the "G WIZ" will get voted against during the next contract negotiations.

How many G Wiz pilots are there? How many NJA Pilots are there?

G Wiz boys don't stand a chance of getting something passed in the next contract.

Sorry but numbers are numbers.

 

[doylehargraves]

What has changed at Netjets that it is all the sudden a bad place?? Other than layoffs, how much paycut, reduced days, lesser crew meals or hotels have you endured?? Just curious why all the whining when NOTHING has changed other than your perception of what might happen.

 

[G4dude]

What has changed at Netjets that it is all the sudden a bad place?? Other than layoffs, how much paycut, reduced days, lesser crew meals or hotels have you endured?? Just curious why all the whining when NOTHING has changed other than your perception of what might happen.

The only thing that changed, in my opinion, is that the Union got them all stirred up over an inconsequential issue. The sheep are stampeding. Which is fine, but they want to take those of us who do not want to damage the company along with them.

 

[G4dude]

I think G4 is managment or closely tied to management.. Probably a personal "friend" of the idiots at Bridegway...

His posts, and his history of posts dating back 6+ years have never been positive about the Union. Almost all of his posts are focused around '05 and '11......

I don't have any friends at Bridgeway. I would not be interested in management at all, would end up with ulcers if I tried to do that kind of job. I am ex charter, ex corporate, who loves flying for NJA. Getting kinda tired of the union, though. I am a normal NJI guy and my opinions are shared by most of us on the large cabin Gulfstreams. We despise unions and the behavior of the members. Not due to ulterior motives, but because we look at things differently than you. I am anti union because I am a capitalist, not because I am evil or dishonest. By the way, my opinions about unions began when I was 7, when my Dad's employer, Delta, had it's ticket counters next to Eastern's, and I witnessed the union workers there perpetually at war with their employer. I thought it bizarre, even at such a young age. I still think union crazies exhibit sophomoric, destructive behavior, and my membership in NJASAP has not disabused me of that notion, unfortunately.

 

[G4dude]

Let G4 be in his "Wet Dream" and the rest of us will make sure that he and his "FEW" buddies on the "G WIZ" will get voted against during the next contract negotiations.

How many G Wiz pilots are there? How many NJA Pilots are there?

G Wiz boys don't stand a chance of getting something passed in the next contract.

Sorry but numbers are numbers.

I do so enjoy the threats. They confirm my previously held opinions, which is gratifying. Thanks.

 

[G4dude]

Think about that a bit when you decide to throw your fellow pilots under the bus.

I am trying to save their employer, so they will have jobs. I feel you are trying to throw my fellow pilots under the bus, not intentionally, but by the results of your actions.