NJ Recalls

[gutshotdraw]

The PIC was not. He was an original NJI wonder...and this wasn't this retard's first F up either. Yet for some reason, this genius is still employed - he must have pictures of someone. Then there's that G-IV rocket surgeon who almost piled one into the runway in San Juan. Apparently running a checklist was just too much for this clown...where's he now you ask? This weasel went and got himself a lawyer and now he's a decaying old geezer of a G-V captain - what a joy that is. Yeah, NJI's got some real gems alright.

Jusssss sayin.

Actually, not that it matters much, but the crossover in this case is about 60 numbers senior to the "I Guy" in question, so....

It was bad juju all the way around and I feel for the the "A" guy. Wasn't his screw up and it was a classic error chain.

But you have plenty of gems like the Shrub so we're even.

 

[G4dude]

Actually, not that it matters much, but the crossover in this case is about 60 numbers senior to the "I Guy" in question, so....

It was bad juju all the way around and I feel for the the "A" guy. Wasn't his screw up and it was a classic error chain.

But you have plenty of gems like the Shrub so we're even.

What bugs me is the Union protections of bad pilots. I wish they would rethink that.

 

[jetlag7]

What bugs me is the Union protections of bad pilots. I wish they would rethink that.

I hear what you're saying, but "rethinking" isn't possible - they have an obligation under federal law. Equal representation/protection for all and such....

 

[NachoMamma]

What bugs me is the Union protections of bad pilots. I wish they would rethink that.

For once, I totally agree with you. This is one of my biggest, most fundamental complaints with the union. And yes, I too have heard the "Duty of fair representation" excuse before...it's just that, an excuse. The union should every right to refuse to defend a pilot (depending on the severity and verification of the offense...say for example, multiple opportunities for crew meals) without fear of legal retribution. Some people around here just need to grow a pair.

 

[CA1900]

For once, I totally agree with you. This is one of my biggest, most fundamental complaints with the union. And yes, I too have heard the "Duty of fair representation" excuse before...it's just that, an excuse.

What you call an excuse is federal law. If a union refuses to represent a member, it would be sued into oblivion.

Just because the union mounts a defense doesn't mean someone can't be fired. It means his side is presented.

Do you also believe suspects of a crime shouldn't be afforded lawyers if they are, in your mind, obviously guilty?

 

[NachoMamma]

What you call an excuse is federal law. If a union refuses to represent a member, it would be sued into oblivion.

It would be sued, the facts would be presented in court, and if the union had it's sh!t together, the lawsuit would be dismissed...as it should be. Of course all of that takes a spine to implement. We spend far too much time around here coddling each other and feeling good about ourselves that idea of accountability has fallen by the wayside. The union needs to stop protecting the d0uche bags...F these clowns. They need to go.

 

[CA1900]

If the union failed to provide any representation at all to a member, the suit would NOT be dismissed. I have no idea why you think a union can pick and choose who it defends, but it just isn't the case.

 

[jetlag7]

.... union needs to stop protecting the d0uche bags...F these clowns. They need to go.

FAR's, FOM, CBA, Federal law -- we all have to follow the rules of the game. Until there's a change in the rule-book, our Union will continue to defend every member in good standing. No sense getting worked-up over this because it's out of our hands.

However, to look at things from a different perspective -- rather than focus our rage on the 1 or 2 "dead-weight" pilots, why don't we try to do something about the 2 Dozen or so IDIOT ACP's and FM's that cost the company $$$$ Millions year after year??

We all know who the "problem children" ACP's and FM's are... just about every line pilot will rattle-off the same list of names if asked. In fact, I'm pretty sure if you ask any of the ACP's and FM's who actually do their jobs and do them well (aka the "good kids") you'll probably come up with a strikingly similar list of names.

Those clowns and their idiotic decisions on a daily basis are the ones destroying our brand and costing us the loyalty of our customers. :angryfire

 

[nordo_2]

It would be sued, the facts would be presented in court, and if the union had it's sh!t together, the lawsuit would be dismissed...as it should be. Of course all of that takes a spine to implement. We spend far too much time around here coddling each other and feeling good about ourselves that idea of accountability has fallen by the wayside. The union needs to stop protecting the d0uche bags...F these clowns. They need to go.

It would be dismissed? You know this for certain?

 

[nordo_2]

What bugs me is the Union protections of bad pilots. I wish they would rethink that.

Red herring, much?

 

[fischman]

If the union failed to provide any representation at all to a member, the suit would NOT be dismissed. I have no idea why you think a union can pick and choose who it defends, but it just isn't the case.

I think law doesn't matter much here CA1900! This is FI.com after all, where everyone is right, and my company is better than yours. Even if we work for the same company.

 

[imacdog]

For once, I totally agree with you. This is one of my biggest, most fundamental complaints with the union. And yes, I too have heard the "Duty of fair representation" excuse before...it's just that, an excuse. The union should every right to refuse to defend a pilot (depending on the severity and verification of the offense...say for example, multiple opportunities for crew meals) without fear of legal retribution. Some people around here just need to grow a pair.

You do understand that unions have lost DFR lawsuits, right?

 

[Praetorian]

Yea ask ALPA. It's very existence hangs in the balance over the TWA pilot's DFR right now.

 

[dime line]

What bugs me is the Union protections of bad pilots. I wish they would rethink that.

Yea and what bugs me is, Management protections for substandard pilots that kiss azz!!

Goes both ways G4

 

[OPECJet]

It's not just the union that will get sued, it's the individual SOD as well. One of the nice little things no one told me about when I ran for ALPA LEC rep. My legal insurance was an out of pocket expense as federal law also prohibited the union from paying my legal fees should one of my pilots sue me under DFR.