New SkyWest pay proposal....anyone?

[Bluto]

Since SAPA appears to be unwilling to distribute an electronic copy, would anyone mind PM'ing me the details of our new illustrious pay package?

 

[Skaff]

Since SAPA appears to be unwilling to distribute an electronic copy, would anyone mind PM'ing me the details of our new illustrious pay package?

why don't you go to the sapa forums to find out instead of here?

 

[Steveair]

Just keep an eye on Flight Info. I'm sure someone will post it shortly only to have it removed shortly thereafter do to the confidentiality clause.

 

[Bluto]

why don't you go to the sapa forums to find out instead of here?

Have you been to the SAPAforums? There have been multiple requests from the pilot group to SAPA for an electronic version. I've waited long enough. I asked for someone to PM me the information. Though why should it matter if it's posted here in public? There's nothing private about a pay proposal like this one.

 

[FlySacto]

Since SAPA appears to be unwilling to distribute an electronic copy, would anyone mind PM'ing me the details of our new illustrious pay package?

Spoke with one of the main SAPA guys the other night. Jack for Brasilia folks is the detail that I came away with. Glad we count for something...

 

[~~~^~~~]

Just keep an eye on Flight Info. I'm sure someone will post it shortly only to have it removed shortly thereafter do to the confidentiality clause.

How something distributed amongst several thousand people is "confidential" I don't know. Besides, ASA pilots have a right to know, they are the rates on our airplanes.

Well, they were ours, sorta....

 

[Bluto]

Well, on the bright side, we can rest easy knowing we've helped make the jet guys feel better about themselves. Knowing that I've helped improve the fragile ego of a CRJ pilot is at least as gratifying as a reasonable raise. I mean, I doubt cost of living has gone up much in the past 6 years. Especially in places like, PSP, MRY, SBA, SBP, PDX, SAN. If the company wants EMB pilots to recognize their place (2nd, apparently) this proposal should help.

 

[BoilerUP]

I'd appreciate a Cliff Notes version as well via PM, thanks...

 

[Ben Dover]

The fun part will be watching SAPA leadership try and put lipstick on this pig!

 

[Terrain Terrain]

please pm it over here also. thank!

 

[atrdriver]

The fun part will be watching SAPA leadership try and put lipstick on this pig!

Gee. And here I thought that JA was the greatest guy in the world. The way you guys talk about him I figured he'd just give you guys whatever you wanted.

 

[FishandFly]

Gee. And here I thought that JA was the greatest guy in the world. The way you guys talk about him I figured he'd just give you guys whatever you wanted.

I'm confused because I thought Atkins already gave them everything they wanted. Are they raising there expectations or something?

 

[ArcticFlier]

Divide and conquer.........................don't fall for it.


AF

 

[goahead]

I'm confused because I thought Atkins already gave them everything they wanted. Are they raising there expectations or something?

Hey man its Atkin, no S at the end, he's not a diet.

 

[Erlanger]

Thr rumor is no pay increase for the Brasilia pilots, a 1.3% pay increase for the RJ and no pay scale for the 700 and 900 but an override of a couple of dollars regardless of which of the two you're flying. So in other words, we're flying the 700 and 900 for the same pay and since it's not much more then the 200, pretty much where we have been for the last 3 years.

 

[Steveair]

Spoke with one of the main SAPA guys the other night. Jack for Brasilia folks is the detail that I came away with. Glad we count for something...

I'm wouldn't be surprised that there's nothing in there for the Bro guys & gals. The airplane, thanks to the FAA / Embraer, is nearly worthless now with all the weight restrictions. It's time for the Bro to go... at least in SLC and DEN. On the other hand, if there's no new "turbo-prop" rate, that's an issue.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Boy, wouldn't a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT be nice right about now?

Peace.

Rekks

 

[Terrain Terrain]

whats the point. vote alpa in, pay freez (during negotiations), 4 years later you have already upgraded and moved on. AND ALPA IS STILL "NEGOTIATING" THE FIRST CONTRACT. uhhhhmm, thanks but no thanks

buuuu bye

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Because any pay increases you have under your current agreement stay in place during negotiations. If JA tries to circumvent that, he is in violation of RLA law. He does not want to do that. And it does not stop upgrades either.

ALPA does have it's problems, but you Skywest 'no way' guys are truly ignorant about how the system works. Every arguement that has been put forth about 'pay freezes' or 'no upgrades' or 'pay cuts' etc.. are just plain wrong.

Do some real, objective research first, before coming to a decision, not what a bunch of hotheads in your respective crewrooms has to say.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[www.]

..do to the confidentiality clause.

Yeah, right.

Is that like double secret probation.

 

[www.]

The fun part will be watching SAPA leadership try and put lipstick on this pig!

Isn't "SAPA" Management over there?

They have to manage your expectations. That's why they won't put it out to the pilots.

 

[www.]

It's time for the Bro to go...

What is a "Bro"? Is that the thing that Frank and Kramer invented?

 

[ILOVEBEER]

whats the point. vote alpa in, pay freez (during negotiations), 4 years later you have already upgraded and moved on. AND ALPA IS STILL "NEGOTIATING" THE FIRST CONTRACT. uhhhhmm, thanks but no thanks

buuuu bye

...and that's different from the current condition at SkyWest how??? Might as well take the contract and ALPA benefits also.

 

[bender]

A check airman on SAPA told us it was basically this:

1% base increase to -200 rates
5% further increase for a -700/900 override
No increase for Bro pilots
No retro pay
Override is only paid for actual 700/900 flight time (a couple exceptions) and will only be paid IF you break daily AND monthly guarantee.
4 year "duration"

 

[Ben Dover]

Isn't "SAPA" Management over there?

They have to manage your expectations. That's why they won't put it out to the pilots.

Yes they are.

Though acting under the guise of pilot representatives. They are actually just a way for management to implement and disseminate bad news to the pilots.

 

[rickair7777]

What is a "Bro"? Is that the thing that Frank and Kramer invented?

SKW slang for the EMB120 Brasilia.

 

[capt. megadeth]

whats the point. vote alpa in, pay freez (during negotiations), 4 years later you have already upgraded and moved on. AND ALPA IS STILL "NEGOTIATING" THE FIRST CONTRACT. uhhhhmm, thanks but no thanks

buuuu bye

Exactly.

BTW, wtf is up with that? No raise for the Bro guys/gals? \

Seeing that you fly 8 legs a day in what sounds like a death trap, you all should get the biggest raise.

 

[trip]

Because any pay increases you have under your current agreement stay in place during negotiations. If JA tries to circumvent that, he is in violation of RLA law.

Not as cut a dried as you make it sound. North American pilots suffered a pay cut after voting in IBT, this was a company wide effort to reduce cost and was upheld in court. ATLAS pilots suffered loss of profit sharing program after voting in ALPA. They sued and won after arguing that they had been singled out as an employee group that had been targeted. Could go either way.

 

[www.]

A check airman on SAPA told us it was basically this:

1% base increase to -200 rates
5% further increase for a -700/900 override
No increase for Bro pilots
No retro pay
Override is only paid for actual 700/900 flight time (a couple exceptions) and will only be paid IF you break daily AND monthly guarantee.
4 year "duration"

Here are some rough numbers for Capt.
Years current + proposed over ride 700/900
5 $ 63.00 101% $ 63.63 105% $ 66.81
6 $ 65.00 - ------$ 65.65 ---------$ 68.93
7 $ 67.00 ---------$ 67.67 ---------$ 71.05
8 $ 69.00 ---------$ 69.69--------- $ 73.17
9 $ 71.00 ---------$ 71.71--------- $ 75.30
10 $ 74.00-------- $ 74.74 ---------$ 78.48
11 $ 76.00--------- $ 76.76-------- $ 80.60
12 $ 78.00 ---------$ 78.78 --------$ 82.72
13 $ 81.00 ---------$ 81.81 --------$ 85.90
14 $ 83.00 ---------$ 83.83 --------$ 88.02
15 $ 86.00--------- $ 86.86 --------$ 91.20
16 $ 88.00 ---------$ 88.88 --------$ 93.32
17 $ 91.00 ---------$ 91.91 --------$ 96.51
18 $ 93.00 ---------$ 93.93 --------$ 98.63

 

[www.]

SKW slang for the EMB120 Brasilia.

Oh, most pilots that have flown the "Brasilia" call it a Brasilia.