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Flopgut,

I know that about 90% of Hilton Honors Diamond members are Netjets pilots. We stay in hotels more than we airline but most NJ pilots have Elite status in multiple FF programs ... so according to the airlines ... we are Elite.:D I do most of my airlines on SWA, Continental, and American.

We are paying plenty of money on Full Fare one-way tickets purchased day before and day of travel.... thus leading to the SSSS TSA strip search.

Good point, gunfyter. Full fare, in the FAA pilot certification and the TSA Part 135 pilot database (over 12,500 pounds), U.S. Passport, active professional pilot for a Berkshire Hathaway company, yet an SSSS. I never had any problems with airline cabin crew (in fact, they were often nice to me), but I did have ongoing problems with the TSA recent high school grads working the screening and with some airline ticket personnel who saw the "SSSS" as deserving of bad treatment at the counter. In fact, I left NJA on account of the airlining---the very bad treatment by TSA and by some airline ticket counter personnel (but not cabin or flight deck crew). I never insisted on any special treatment, only wanted to not always or almost always be an SSSS. At NJA. the money was not enough to be treated like a suspected terrorist by TSA and by some airline ticket personnel. (The airlining can be bad enough and a stark contrast to the private jet experience without adding pat-downs and such.) And the last thing I'd want to do on my time off is get on an airliner if I'm already doing that day in day out as a frac pilot. So, to me, the airline FF miles/points meant nothing. In my opinion, crew pass should have been on the company "to do" list a long time ago. Good luck.
 
Law,

Yes. I never have any problem or give any to the airline crews. I don't understand the back and forth of this thread and wish it would just go away. Its making us look bad.

It makes sense to get CrewPass because we do not need to have the SSSS on our tickets. Its a waste of TSA's time and thus a reduction in the level of security at the airport.
 
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How come I don't hear your Cessna out flying when it's CAT3? Is that something the airplane can't do or something they don't think you're capable of?


So does sitting in the front watching the plane land make you the just the most awesome pilot ever? Puhleez...

As Flylow said, the planes aren't certified. Nice try.
 
Don't bother with them, Flopgut. Let them have fun with their giant airline-hating circle-jerk. I never had a bad word to say of frac pilots before this thread, but they've certainly shown their true colors. I've never seen so much ego and condescension before in my life, and that's saying a lot for pilots.

Wait a minute.

We call your (and every other carrier's) airplanes a cesspool of disease and you get offended? Seriously?

Does the truth hurt that bad? Do you deny the planes are filthy?
 
Get a load of this statement. You know, I hear your QS airplanes down in South America fairly often. (usually with a 2 series number) The anxiety and semi unfamiliarity with ATC and common practice leads me to believe you've got little real concept of the terrain your flying over. I wonder if your owners realize that? I don't have to wonder if your company trains special airports like mine does because I know you don't. Highest level of reliability my a$$.

Yes. The charts and EGPWS are soooo confusing. :rolleyes:

Grasping for straws???
 
I have never publicly discussed negotiating tactics or practices. I will not start now.

As FLYLOW said, what is written and what is practiced may be two different things.

Our dispute was with the company, NOT the passengers, owners or cardholders. Recognizing that the owners/cardholders are paying big bucks for our service, I have always treated them with the best "service excellence" I could. Without them, there is no job.

I don't know what you're asking from the last paragraph.
Total BS. You cornholed the customers and you know it. And it would have gotten worse until you got what you wanted.

Can't understand what? Simple english? It's a statement. You are a lesser pilot advocate than the non pilot you fly around. You can't tolerate from others what is in fact the exact behavior you display yourself. You are the lowest form of pilot there is.

It is not BS. To say we disrespected the owners demonstrates your misunderstanding of a situation you weren't a part of. Every NetJets pilot on these boards is saying the same thing. What does that tell you?
 
Dude, EGPWS is not something you navigate with !!

I'm shocked. This is not even funny.

Stop taking words out of my mouth. Did I say I navigated with it? No.

Come on. Grow up...
 
Fisch, you have to understand that Flopgut has some serious insecurity issues. If he didn't then he wouldn't be making the silly posts that he has been. Sometimes you have to let those little fellas do their own thing.

Edit - PCL does too. If these guys were truly happy with their carriers and decisions in life then they wouldn't care what we silly fractional pilots think. At least, I don't really care what they think about my company because it really doesn't matter what they think.
 
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I hear ya.

I just enjoy a good debate. B19 doesn't challenge me anymore as he has been making the same post for months now. It's nice to have new face to spar with. I don't take any of it personally. I hope they don't either, and I think everyone agrees that no one is going to change anyone's habits by posting on FI.com.
 
Ever been to Riverside California? Shhhh, Fisch. Don't tell him how fun that place is. :p

I don't know what you're talking about. ;)

Between the TSA, FAA inspectors, FBO owner, Mx, and Chief Pilot, I have never been on the radar with such a strong return! No challenges that day!!!

That was awesome.
 
Yeah, a Cessna. It was a cute little thing that cruised at altitudes up to 51,000 ft at .92M. It would eat your classic for lunch. I enjoyed it very much.

Yesterday:

ATC: Soutwest XXXX, say mach number.

SWA: Decimal 78.

ATC: Ok maintain mach 78 or better, you have a "Super" Citation in trail that has quite a bit of speed on you.

ATC: ExecJet 9XX , say mach number.

EJ: Decimal 915

ATC: Uhhhh, roger. Soutwest XXXX just maintain Mach 76 for now, he'll be passing you shortly.

Classic.
 
Stop taking words out of my mouth. Did I say I navigated with it? No.

Come on. Grow up...

I would say that what you implied has everyone reading this who understands the terrain in SA less than inspired as to your knowledge/training.

The charts ARE confusing. Some of the charts have incomplete data (says so right on the chart).

I really don't want to have any technical speak with you guys. I'm sure you all have great training.
 
I've got days off right now, so I'm going to go into media fast mode.

Just want to say for the record: I do appreciate you frac guys/gals as professionals. Congrats on a great contract and I hope things do continue to go well for you. I'd rather you be able to taunt us airline types about pay/QOL than see you go through what we have. (many of you have, I know)

And, I was not hired in 83-85.
 
Well Flop...I will do what your company (CAL), your union (ALPA), your self respect ('83 hire), your profession (other pilots), your fellow 121 pilots (that you DO NOT represent), and the rest of this forum, has done to you...

Ignore you (ignore list)..enjoy the fog.
 
Yes, I do.


Ok. Forget the stinky lav.

Ever check the seat back pouches after even one leg? Ever look at all the dried face butter on the windows that won't even scrape off? The crusted carpet? Guessing the lunch 4 other passengers had on the tray table in front of me is always a favorite game too.

It this your problem as a pilot in the front? I dunno. Airlines used to have professional cleaners. Who's on 1st? I dunno. Don't care.

We are merely pointing out that we ride em all and all have been filthy. Urine, crumbs, gum, trash. Don't take it personally PCL... You can't save the world alone.

It's awesome.
 
The charts ARE confusing. Some of the charts have incomplete data (says so right on the chart).


Don't worry Flop. I hear that John and Martha King have a GREAT video series to help you with those tough Charts.

Sometimes you can use Sectional Charts to find volcanos BEFORE you fly into there ash!!:laugh: And don't let all those FIRs and Upper Amber routes scare you. The Cubans only bite if you forget to call for the overflight.

Good luck!!
 

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