NetJets Working on CASS Approval?

[PCL_128]

 

[fischman]

Perhaps you haven't been IN a 121 cockpit lately.. Many pilots are still trying to serve the customers however, we are not getting the support from the company... what do you suggest?

FWIW, I have made several suggestions (besides providing basic sanitation). They have all been laughed at.

 

[fischman]

Looks like I know what to expect at airtran... Sorry I couldn't convince you. Good luck.

 

[PCL_128]

Looks like I know what to expect at airtran... Sorry I couldn't convince you. Good luck.

I'm actually pretty proud of the product we provide. Our stews are generally pretty friendly and helpful, the planes are all new, every seat has XM radio, etc... But if you expect me to toss bags to get the flight out 5 minutes earlier, then yeah, you should probably stick with chartering your own airplane.

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

PCL_128 doesn't get it

I cannot believe you actually wrote this let alone believe it to be even remotely true. Wow...you are really detached from reality but it is precisely this sort of attitude that is causing the utter failure of any sort of decent service.

YOU DO OWE THEM THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. YOU ARE THE COMPANY!!! You openly admit that you are part of the machine..what if that part breaks? How does the rest of the machine work? You and your FA's ARE the face of the company and you bought into that when you got hired by Airtran. It is YOUR airplane that is dirty and I would be willing to bet somewhere in your AFM it talks about airplane cleanliness. When I was an airline guy, I wiped down lavs and threw bags. I did what it took to make sure people had a good experience or to get the flight out on time. I did not want MY COMPANY to look bad. I guess you don't care...but that is why the airlines are doing so poorly...I guess you are above menial labor.

Wow...I am still stunned you wrote that. Thanks for confirming a lot of things though.

As I said in another post JungleJett, guys like PCL_128 say it's "their" plane when things are good or they have to put on their hat and play pilot. Yet, when things go wrong it's the company's fault or it's someone elses problem. The crew is part of the company, problem and solution.
I'm with you about pitching in when times call for it. I never did the lav, but I did load bags, check-in pax and escorted them too. I even did my own windows when a station was busy. Hey, I need to see out of them not the ground crew. All this was while flying a Dash 8-300. So it wasn't a light twin or single. In the military things like that were done daily so I guess that prepared me for the civil side. Guys like PCL_128 forget what it takes to get a job done; they just enter the plane, turn left and camp until it's time to look for pretty women at the end of the trip in sunny Florida.
I am sure PCL_128 or others will try to tell me what they use to do, but what do they do now at their current job? That's what we are talking about. I know there are pilots out there that don't think other tasks are beneath them and lend assistance when it's needed. Hell, I've seen it happen.

 

[fischman]

I'm actually pretty proud of the product we provide.

sigh.....

It saddens me that you think Airtran (and every other 121 carrier) provides a product to be proud of. That is why most of them are in chapter 11 or 7.

You shouldn't be.

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

This message is for ya

You don't seem to understand. I'm not telling you that I like the service the airlines provide. I commuted for over five years. It was a miserable experience, and I would never try to claim that the airlines provide good service. What I am trying to tell you is that it isn't right for guys like you to blame the crewmembers for this lack of service. We are the ones doing our jobs. It's the management hacks that aren't doing theirs. They understaff, overwork, and generally disrespect their employees. The airplane you ride on isn't clean because management refuses to provide the cabin cleaners that are necessary to get it done. Your can of Coke now costs a buck instead of being free because management is so woefully incompetent that this is the only way they think they can generate revenue. Your bags are lost because management refuses to provide enough ramp staffing, so the rampers are constantly in a state of panic trying to get things done, and many bags fall through the cracks.

So, all I'm telling you is to place the blame in the proper place: with incompetent and corrupt airline management that simply doesn't care about the service that you are receiving, as long as they get a bigger bonus at the end of the year. Stop blaming the crews and expecting us to correct everything that management screws up.

This message is "on the wire", just like a TOW missile, for you PCL_128.
I seems you blame everyone else for everything that is wrong while your at work. You are the face of the company when the customer is stuck in that tube. Aside from the ticket and gate agents; tag, you and the FAs are it. You are part of the customer service network.
You need to take more pride in your airline and remember interacting with the public is your job. When a delay happens then go out and talk to the pax via the PA in the cabin. Don't hide in the pointy end. I am talking about a hard, it's down delay and not one where you can not leave your desk. I am not saying you have to get out there and sling bags, but if you see your short-staffed ramp crew needs help then burn some fat cells and getter done. Or help out in the cabin when an FA needs it. Leading by example goes a long way; trust me when I say I have and still practice what I preach.
Now if you truly believe your soul job is strickly up in the pointy end then your right when you say you do you job. If management is as bad as you write and the conditions are as negative as you write then leave. It's only a job, right?

 

[PCL_128]

It saddens me that you think Airtran (and every other 121 carrier) provides a product to be proud of. That is why most of them are in chapter 11 or 7.

Actually, we're projecting a $76 million profit next year, which would be the highest in the company's history. But thanks for your concern.

If your attitude is representative of the rest of the Frac pilots, then I'm extremely happy that I didn't apply to Netjets like I was thinking of doing.

 

[Diesel]

Actually, we're projecting a $76 million profit next year, which would be the highest in the company's history. But thanks for your concern.

Didn't airtran furlough in 2008?

 

[JungleJett]

then I'm extremely happy that I didn't apply to Netjets like I was thinking of doing.

You would never make it here...ever...so it is a good thing you did not apply, you would have soon been looking for another job.

I am guessing a few things..big pilot school product, daddy paid your way, never worked another job in your life, went to work for the regional's with min time, upgraded way before you should have, knew someone at Airtran and got hired making peanuts (and being fed them for crew meals). Am I close? By the way, what do you think ALPA is going to do for you? You do know their record in the past 10 years right?