NetJets TA Reached

[Dep676]

Any news on the new airports you can travel from?

 

[hammer2]

jeez what willl we talk about ? I know! Hey flex jeters didn't managment promise you would be the highest paid in the industry? Just curious.

 

[Mach92]

NJI NJI NJI NJI yea 3 years from now we will be one big happy or in some cases not so happy family. Yes NJI "they" tossed you under the bus. Welcome to having a UNION.

 

[Hogprint]

Hawkered posted:

Family Guy put endless hours in on the board, providing a balance between the points of view that were being expressed. He did it late into the night and showed us all that there really are people in management that are devoted to a successful turn of events

Dude. Were you drinking when you read his posts? Make no mistake, Famguy et al., were here to do one thing. That was to spread disinformation. You put up a good fight, but no one was listening.

How about it moles? I guess they COULD afford it after all. Kind of hard to cry poor when your launching scheduled service out of the three biggest metropolitan areas in the country and many others with our blokes across the pond.

What was the straw that broke the camels back?

 

[rice]

The comparison will be done by the Union. They will compare the current CBA, the TA that was voted down and the new TA.
I agree that the numbers are not extraordinary. However, in my case it amounts to a 50% raise. I will be making over six figures when all pay including OT, per diem etc is figured. So compared to now, that is good. Scope is very important too. If our jobs are protected, it is worth a lot. Am I ecstatic?? No. Am I happy that it's over and I can make a respectable and decent living while also having the free time to make money in another business? Yes.

Again Congrats!!!
Just curious, what type of other business? I'm always looking for ways to make more money and since my employer won't let me do contract work on my off time .....................:angryfire
Good luck to all of you at NJA, it's sure been a long road so far.

 

[Photoflight]

Congrats and maybe in a year we'll see yah!

One question though, how did the retro pay pan out for ya'll?

 

[TurboJetCpt]

It seems the management "flightinfo.com" trolls have been paid and have now left the building. Good riddance.

 

[You're right]

It seems the management "flightinfo.com" trolls have been paid and have now left the building. Good riddance.

Turbo, the most comical thing about your statement is that you truly do believe everyone responding to you is a "hired hand". I know each of them--they are not. In your mind, anyone that would think differently than you MUST be "hired"; that is sad. Trust me, Family Guy, et al, are not going away, they are dedicated employees with genuine concerns for the viability of this company.

You have a good, fair TA now so stop trying to continually tear down YOUR CO-WORKERS!!! Go vote "yes" and concentrate on helping build the service back at this company--as the rest of us "hired hands" will do.

 

[gray eagle]

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[dukeofdub]

It seems the management "flightinfo.com" trolls have been paid and have now left the building. Good riddance.

Turbo,
As long as we can work together and work for the common good you will find us agreeable. Like YR said, stop tearing down your fellow employees. It is time for you to review the TA, make your decision and vote. Then lets all get to work together. We have a lot of profit to generate and waste to find to afford this TA. We are ready to go all the way and make NetJets profitable and we will have to do it together.

 

[h25b]

Yes NJI "they" tossed you under the bus. Welcome to having a UNION.

If this is true, they're not the only ones that got "thrown under the bus." When you've got a 5 yr. Falcon 2000/Citation X F.O. making 47K I'm sure they will feel like you did the same to them...

One look at those rate tells me and anyone else that while the more senior pilots might have enjoyed some success with this TA the junior/future NJA pilots got screwed.

Try and remember that as you're bashing your beer mugs together, we'll no doubt be here about 3 yrs. from now hearing from those pilots and how unfairly they are paid. You know, "reduced priced" lunches and all... At least someone should acknowledge this fact...

You did a great job overall, but let's not act like you didn't cave in some areas...

 

[Hogprint]

You're right posted:

You have a good, fair TA now so stop trying to continually tear down YOUR CO-WORKERS!!! Go vote "yes" and concentrate on helping build the service back at this company--as the rest of us "hired hands" will do.

We're not tearing down any coworkers. As far as we know FamGuy isn't a coworker. He has never once (that I know) stated what it is he does at Netjets. I have nothing but respect for the dispatchers, flight managers, and ACPs that I deal with on a day to day basis. With only a few exceptions we have worked together to make this a better place. The problem we have is with the people that have stood in the way of progress.

This is what we have seen. A CompanyGuy shows up about six months ago and every post he makes is in direct opposition to our cause. Same posts, same theme, retreaded over and over. Trying to plant seeds of doubt. Poor mouthing and carrying the company's water. As soon as the marching memo comes over the company net, guess who starts posting the talking points on this board? This type of attitude from on high has drug this out for four years.

You did get one thing right. The service has suffered because of the strategy the company employed for this fight. I'm all for mending fences, but before we start rubbing helmets let's not forget that this should have been taken care of four years ago. DisinformationGuy was the most vocal of the beasts of burden the company used to spread the word on here.

I agree it's time to focus energy on getting our reputation back. The company should take the lead. Stop violating the contract. Stop punitive scheduling. On the surface the TA looks like an olive branch, but the whole thing hasn't come out and it still has to be ratified.

I will be convinced when I see positive movement on both fronts.

 

[Hogprint]

dukeofdub posted:

We have a lot of profit to generate and waste to find to afford this TA.

Why have you waited until NOW to try and trim the fat? You knew this day would come eight years ago.

I think this process has shown that it truly does take a TEAM effort.

 

[Flying Illini]

Question:

If you are a 5th year FO and you get the upgrade nod, do you then make 5th year captain pay? Or is that year not a marker of time with the company, just a time in seat marker?

5th year FO: 47405
1st year Capt: 52500

If it reverts back to year one, that's only a $5000 pay raise when you make capt.

 

[You're right]

My two favorite Hog quotes:

The problem we have is with the people that have stood in the way of progress.

Besides, I got into this business so I could have the time off and play!

You can't have it both ways in a business Hog.....

I'm as happy as the next guy that this is close to being over. Only time will tell if we can truly afford the "deal" and the service damage that has been done.

 

[You're right]

Question:

If you are a 5th year FO and you get the upgrade nod, do you then make 5th year captain pay? Or is that year not a marker of time with the company, just a time in seat marker?

5th year FO: 47405
1st year Capt: 52500

If it reverts back to year one, that's only a $5000 pay raise when you make capt.

This must be the most insane comparison I've ever seen..... IF you are a 5th year FO (FO pay) at NetJet's you have done something seriously wrong.

 

[h25b]

This must be the most insane comparison I've ever seen..... IF you are a 5th year FO (FO pay) at NetJet's you have done something seriously wrong.

You will eventually see a time where upgrades will have slowed and you will have 5 yr. F.O.'s.. The all-knowing young crowd of Comair pilots used to think the same way you do... It won't last and even Diesel understands this...

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I very respectfully agree with H25B.

Rapid growth and quick upgrades are historically an anomaly.

Ideally companies would hire people and immediately train them as if they were all Captains. (type-rate them) After a short adjustment period the first officers would be assets to the captains, valued crewmembers rather than considered a student or apprentice.

H25B is right. Growth can not continue indefinately. At some point in the future attrition and growth will halt, and you will have first officers for 5...10...15+ years (witness 17 year F/Os at US Airways who are furloughed).

 

[h25b]

H25B is right. Growth can not continue indefinately. At some point in the future attrition and growth will halt, and you will have first officers for 5...10...15+ years (witness 17 year F/Os at US Airways who are furloughed).

You've already got a guy posting a thread saying he has interviews at CS and NJA that mentions the fact that upgrades will be slow and 5th yr. F.O. pay is "only 47k." Weren't they all on here telling us how hard it was for NJA to recruit ??

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=63886

 

[Correcting]

Retro pay is $40,000 divided by 48 times the number of months you have been at NJA since the last contract expired (48 months ago). So someone who has been here since the last contract expired get all 40k. Someone who's been here a year gets approx 10k. Not 100% retro, but it blows away the retro in the rejected TA.

It is paid in a 60/40 split. 60% right away (deferrable to Jan 1, 2006) and the 40% paid at 1 year after ratification (deferable to Jan 1, 2007). Or can have it paid in 4 equal installments each Jan 1.