NetJets Strike Deadline??

[G4dude]

Only the ones with a Union. That is, only NetJets Aviation Inc. We have been Teamsters for over 20 years - more unified than ever right now. Makes the union at ComAir look like a joke.

Union for 20 years, and the lowest paid Fractional pilots as well as the most unhappy. Sounds like the union has been a RESOUNDING SUCCESS! The situation is rich in irony. By the way, I see a lockout coming. But I have been wrong before.

 

[CE750Driver]

Union for 20 years, and the lowest paid Fractional pilots as well as the most unhappy. Sounds like the union has been a RESOUNDING SUCCESS! The situation is rich in irony. By the way, I see a lockout coming. But I have been wrong before.

God please, dont be wrong!

 

[niteflyr]

The same RLA that prevents us from striking also prevents the company from locking us out, so looks like we all need to get used to the current CBA for a long time now...Guess it could be worse, we could be working under the rejected TA.

 

[JetProp]

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[Mach92]

Union for 20 years, and the lowest paid Fractional pilots as well as the most unhappy. Sounds like the union has been a RESOUNDING SUCCESS! The situation is rich in irony. By the way, I see a lockout coming. But I have been wrong before.

OH so we should not be union and get a raise?? NutJets management would get 500TT pilots going to Hawaii if they could for $16,000 a year. Being union or not union has no factor here pal sorry to tell you. NutJets is ONE F up'd company period.

Yes were unhappy you know why?? Because we are fighting for ALL pilots including you to make a decent living. Last time I checked nobody cares that a surgen makes 300K or more. What about my 30 yr old lawyer friend who made oh 350K last year. What NutJets pays is not only slave labor its down right wrong. Management would like nothing more to win this fight, so all pilots can get paid McDonalds wages.

 

[100LL... Again!]

You cannot compare pilots to surgeons or lawyers, no matter how badly you want to.

Can you drop 20k and go from zero-time to CFI in 6 months? Yes.
Can you get a couple thousand hours in a couple of years just flying around? Yes.

Can you accomplish a degree in medecine or law with anywhere near the same low level of effort compared to flying? No.

I know a lot of pilots, lawyers and doctors, and pilots are just not in that league.

Failure to admit this only makes pilots look like fools.

 

[ce750drvr]

You cannot compare pilots to surgeons or lawyers, no matter how badly you want to.

Can you drop 20k and go from zero-time to CFI in 6 months? Yes.
Can you get a couple thousand hours in a couple of years just flying around? Yes.

Can you accomplish a degree in medecine or law with anywhere near the same low level of effort compared to flying? No.

I know a lot of pilots, lawyers and doctors, and you pilots are just not in that league.

Failure to admit this only makes pilots look like fools.

AND WHO THE FUK ARE YOU??? WHUTA DIKHED

 

[100LL... Again!]

I've never met a doctor or lawyer who would respond in such a puerile fashion, so thanks for proving my point.

It is foolish to keep comparing pilots to these professions - it makes us look stupid.

Here's a little question for you:

Why don't doctors and lawyers need strong union contracts to get that level of compensation?

Answer: They don't need unions.The skill and knowledge levels are so high in those fields that there is less competition, hence higher pay.

Pilots are in much greater supply, and the skill and knowledge level needed can be achieved sooner that for those other professions, hence you are paid less.

The fact that you would LIKE to think of yourself as a doctor or lawyer does not mean that the comparison is valid.

If you were worth 200k, you would be getting 200k, and you would not need a union to get it. The doctor doesn't.

Checkmate.

 

[Number$Cruncher]

You cannot compare pilots to surgeons or lawyers, no matter how badly you want to.

Can you drop 20k and go from zero-time to CFI in 6 months? Yes.
Can you get a couple thousand hours in a couple of years just flying around? Yes.

Can you accomplish a degree in medecine or law with anywhere near the same low level of effort compared to flying? No.

I know a lot of pilots, lawyers and doctors, and pilots are just not in that league.

Failure to admit this only makes pilots look like fools.

Anyone who had read any one of my previous posts knows that I'm not at all sympathetic to the pro-union movement, but this is one of the dumbest responses to a dumb post I've seen in a long time.

To say pilots aren't in the same league as doctors is just plain stupid, and just as stupid as saying that pilots deserve to "make as much as a (insert other occupation here), because (insert reasoning here)."

Most pilots are made up of the same "stuff" as doctors and lawyers, and could have been either. For the most part, highly intelligent. Pilots are paid what pilots make for one reason and one reason only...they made the choice to be a pilot. If they had wanted to be paid as much as a doctor (or as much as a Columbus bus driver, for that matter), then that's what they should have chosen to become.

 

[El Chupacabra]

G4,

No Strike or Lockout will occur in 2005. I only wish there could.

We must live by the current CBA... but so must management. I hope they like selloffs.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Anyone who had read any one of my previous posts knows that I'm not at all sympathetic to the pro-union movement, but this is one of the dumbest responses to a dumb post I've seen in a long time.

To say pilots aren't in the same league as doctors is just plain stupid, and just as stupid as saying that pilots deserve to "make as much as a (insert other occupation here), because (insert reasoning here)."

Most pilots are made up of the same "stuff" as doctors and lawyers, and could have been either. For the most part, highly intelligent. Pilots are paid what pilots make for one reason and one reason only...they made the choice to be a pilot. If they had wanted to be paid as much as a doctor (or as much as a Columbus bus driver, for that matter), then that's what they should have chosen to become.

I don't know what you are refuting, because that is essentially the same thing I said. I DIDN'T say that pilots were not as bright as doctors or lawyers.

I DID say that we chose a profession that does not require the same dedication as these other professionals.

Now think carefully before responding: I am not saying that there are not many pilots who are as dedicated to their profession as a doctor. I said that flying does not REQUIRE that level of dedication. This should be obvious from the fact that you can put a 500 hour know-nothing in the right seat of an RJ.

Where is the equivalent example in medecine or law? There isn't one.
If we ran our profession the same way as the doctors or lawyers do, all airline pilots would need several thousand hours, an ATP, and have to pass a board-type exam before acting as SIC on a Beech 1900.

You might point out that many of the better employers require the experience that I have just stated, and you would be right. However, we have lots of places where eager low-timers can fill up a logbook quickly and then become a low-wage threat to more qualifies, more deserving pilots.

There exists no similar threat in the medical profession. Why?

Because between the government and the barriers created by the medical profession, you have to jump through a lot of hoops before you get to first practice medecine.

You can become an FO in about a year if you have the $$$.

And THAT is our problem.

 

[NJACrewservicer]

"We must live by the current CBA... but so must management. I hope they like selloffs"---El Chupacabra


Why would the sell off's decrease if a new TA was brought to the table that the pilot group approved of? Are you saying that there is an organized slow down? Trying to make a point? The only point you are making is that the company isn't making money which in return hurts you and what you are trying to obtain.

 

[Hawkered]

Where's Catyaak?

 

[x402]

Why would the sell off's decrease if a new TA was brought to the table that the pilot group approved of?

We would have to assume the Company will get some of what they want in a new CBA. That might be the ability to contact pilots closer to duty time and not guess three weeks out where Pilot X will be needed. It's still a negotiation and there is an expectation of give and take.

As for your second comment, there will be no organized slow downs or illegal work actions. The failures in scheduling, mx and crew planning that the Company continues to ignore will cause sell offs to rise in the future.

 

[Hogprint]

I DID say that we chose a profession that does not require the same dedication as these other professionals.

Now think carefully before responding: I am not saying that there are not many pilots who are as dedicated to their profession as a doctor. I said that flying does not REQUIRE that level of dedication. This should be obvious from the fact that you can put a 500 hour know-nothing in the right seat of an RJ.

I think there is differnt levels of dedication to be defined. I would say a surgeon probably had and has a higher level of dedication than say a general practitioner and just maybe the 500 hr whiz in the RJ.

Now I don't know and maybe you could correct me, but does the Gen Prac guy have to put his certificate on the line three to four times a year?

Does he have to stay in shape and watch his health for a 6 month physical to keep his profession?

I'm not trying to compare our profession to theirs, but just wanted to point out some unique differences.

Besides, I got in this business so I could have the time off and play!