NetJets Strike Deadline??

[G4dude]

Only the ones with a Union. That is, only NetJets Aviation Inc. We have been Teamsters for over 20 years - more unified than ever right now. Makes the union at ComAir look like a joke.

Union for 20 years, and the lowest paid Fractional pilots as well as the most unhappy. Sounds like the union has been a RESOUNDING SUCCESS! The situation is rich in irony. By the way, I see a lockout coming. But I have been wrong before.

 

[CE750Driver]

Union for 20 years, and the lowest paid Fractional pilots as well as the most unhappy. Sounds like the union has been a RESOUNDING SUCCESS! The situation is rich in irony. By the way, I see a lockout coming. But I have been wrong before.

God please, dont be wrong!

 

[niteflyr]

The same RLA that prevents us from striking also prevents the company from locking us out, so looks like we all need to get used to the current CBA for a long time now...Guess it could be worse, we could be working under the rejected TA.

 

[JetProp]

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[Mach92]

Union for 20 years, and the lowest paid Fractional pilots as well as the most unhappy. Sounds like the union has been a RESOUNDING SUCCESS! The situation is rich in irony. By the way, I see a lockout coming. But I have been wrong before.

OH so we should not be union and get a raise?? NutJets management would get 500TT pilots going to Hawaii if they could for $16,000 a year. Being union or not union has no factor here pal sorry to tell you. NutJets is ONE F up'd company period.

Yes were unhappy you know why?? Because we are fighting for ALL pilots including you to make a decent living. Last time I checked nobody cares that a surgen makes 300K or more. What about my 30 yr old lawyer friend who made oh 350K last year. What NutJets pays is not only slave labor its down right wrong. Management would like nothing more to win this fight, so all pilots can get paid McDonalds wages.

 

[100LL... Again!]

You cannot compare pilots to surgeons or lawyers, no matter how badly you want to.

Can you drop 20k and go from zero-time to CFI in 6 months? Yes.
Can you get a couple thousand hours in a couple of years just flying around? Yes.

Can you accomplish a degree in medecine or law with anywhere near the same low level of effort compared to flying? No.

I know a lot of pilots, lawyers and doctors, and pilots are just not in that league.

Failure to admit this only makes pilots look like fools.

 

[ce750drvr]

You cannot compare pilots to surgeons or lawyers, no matter how badly you want to.

Can you drop 20k and go from zero-time to CFI in 6 months? Yes.
Can you get a couple thousand hours in a couple of years just flying around? Yes.

Can you accomplish a degree in medecine or law with anywhere near the same low level of effort compared to flying? No.

I know a lot of pilots, lawyers and doctors, and you pilots are just not in that league.

Failure to admit this only makes pilots look like fools.

AND WHO THE FUK ARE YOU??? WHUTA DIKHED

 

[100LL... Again!]

I've never met a doctor or lawyer who would respond in such a puerile fashion, so thanks for proving my point.

It is foolish to keep comparing pilots to these professions - it makes us look stupid.

Here's a little question for you:

Why don't doctors and lawyers need strong union contracts to get that level of compensation?

Answer: They don't need unions.The skill and knowledge levels are so high in those fields that there is less competition, hence higher pay.

Pilots are in much greater supply, and the skill and knowledge level needed can be achieved sooner that for those other professions, hence you are paid less.

The fact that you would LIKE to think of yourself as a doctor or lawyer does not mean that the comparison is valid.

If you were worth 200k, you would be getting 200k, and you would not need a union to get it. The doctor doesn't.

Checkmate.

 

[Number$Cruncher]

You cannot compare pilots to surgeons or lawyers, no matter how badly you want to.

Can you drop 20k and go from zero-time to CFI in 6 months? Yes.
Can you get a couple thousand hours in a couple of years just flying around? Yes.

Can you accomplish a degree in medecine or law with anywhere near the same low level of effort compared to flying? No.

I know a lot of pilots, lawyers and doctors, and pilots are just not in that league.

Failure to admit this only makes pilots look like fools.

Anyone who had read any one of my previous posts knows that I'm not at all sympathetic to the pro-union movement, but this is one of the dumbest responses to a dumb post I've seen in a long time.

To say pilots aren't in the same league as doctors is just plain stupid, and just as stupid as saying that pilots deserve to "make as much as a (insert other occupation here), because (insert reasoning here)."

Most pilots are made up of the same "stuff" as doctors and lawyers, and could have been either. For the most part, highly intelligent. Pilots are paid what pilots make for one reason and one reason only...they made the choice to be a pilot. If they had wanted to be paid as much as a doctor (or as much as a Columbus bus driver, for that matter), then that's what they should have chosen to become.

 

[El Chupacabra]

G4,

No Strike or Lockout will occur in 2005. I only wish there could.

We must live by the current CBA... but so must management. I hope they like selloffs.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Anyone who had read any one of my previous posts knows that I'm not at all sympathetic to the pro-union movement, but this is one of the dumbest responses to a dumb post I've seen in a long time.

To say pilots aren't in the same league as doctors is just plain stupid, and just as stupid as saying that pilots deserve to "make as much as a (insert other occupation here), because (insert reasoning here)."

Most pilots are made up of the same "stuff" as doctors and lawyers, and could have been either. For the most part, highly intelligent. Pilots are paid what pilots make for one reason and one reason only...they made the choice to be a pilot. If they had wanted to be paid as much as a doctor (or as much as a Columbus bus driver, for that matter), then that's what they should have chosen to become.

I don't know what you are refuting, because that is essentially the same thing I said. I DIDN'T say that pilots were not as bright as doctors or lawyers.

I DID say that we chose a profession that does not require the same dedication as these other professionals.

Now think carefully before responding: I am not saying that there are not many pilots who are as dedicated to their profession as a doctor. I said that flying does not REQUIRE that level of dedication. This should be obvious from the fact that you can put a 500 hour know-nothing in the right seat of an RJ.

Where is the equivalent example in medecine or law? There isn't one.
If we ran our profession the same way as the doctors or lawyers do, all airline pilots would need several thousand hours, an ATP, and have to pass a board-type exam before acting as SIC on a Beech 1900.

You might point out that many of the better employers require the experience that I have just stated, and you would be right. However, we have lots of places where eager low-timers can fill up a logbook quickly and then become a low-wage threat to more qualifies, more deserving pilots.

There exists no similar threat in the medical profession. Why?

Because between the government and the barriers created by the medical profession, you have to jump through a lot of hoops before you get to first practice medecine.

You can become an FO in about a year if you have the $$$.

And THAT is our problem.

 

[NJACrewservicer]

"We must live by the current CBA... but so must management. I hope they like selloffs"---El Chupacabra


Why would the sell off's decrease if a new TA was brought to the table that the pilot group approved of? Are you saying that there is an organized slow down? Trying to make a point? The only point you are making is that the company isn't making money which in return hurts you and what you are trying to obtain.

 

[Hawkered]

Where's Catyaak?

 

[x402]

Why would the sell off's decrease if a new TA was brought to the table that the pilot group approved of?

We would have to assume the Company will get some of what they want in a new CBA. That might be the ability to contact pilots closer to duty time and not guess three weeks out where Pilot X will be needed. It's still a negotiation and there is an expectation of give and take.

As for your second comment, there will be no organized slow downs or illegal work actions. The failures in scheduling, mx and crew planning that the Company continues to ignore will cause sell offs to rise in the future.

 

[Hogprint]

I DID say that we chose a profession that does not require the same dedication as these other professionals.

Now think carefully before responding: I am not saying that there are not many pilots who are as dedicated to their profession as a doctor. I said that flying does not REQUIRE that level of dedication. This should be obvious from the fact that you can put a 500 hour know-nothing in the right seat of an RJ.

I think there is differnt levels of dedication to be defined. I would say a surgeon probably had and has a higher level of dedication than say a general practitioner and just maybe the 500 hr whiz in the RJ.

Now I don't know and maybe you could correct me, but does the Gen Prac guy have to put his certificate on the line three to four times a year?

Does he have to stay in shape and watch his health for a 6 month physical to keep his profession?

I'm not trying to compare our profession to theirs, but just wanted to point out some unique differences.

Besides, I got in this business so I could have the time off and play!

 

[NJACrewservicer]

x402, you have the option now to put your name on a list if you would like a different first day brief. A new TA isn't going to change that.

 

[x402]

x402, you have the option now to put your name on a list if you would like a different first day brief. A new TA isn't going to change that.

The option you are speaking of is a unilateral offer by the company. I could care less about coming in a 0001 of my first day. Why would we do something for the company with no benifit back to the pilot group. Remember, give and take.

The offer as it stands is self serving and you know that.

 

[Hawkered]

Hey, I heard the Lakers are gonna replace their NBA lineup with high school kids to save money. Most kids can play basketball right? What's the difference?

Yeah...right! Put a 500 hr whiz in the right seat of a Citation X and send him or her across the ocean. That'd be just plain stupid!

 

[ce750drvr]

I've never met a doctor or lawyer who would respond in such a puerile fashion, so thanks for proving my point.


Ok. I was going to give you the benefit, but you had to open you mouth and spill out rubbish. Have you ever worked for an attorney or a doctor? My guess is no. My mother is a nurse and my sister a paralegal. Around clients, no they would not "respond in such a puerile fashion". But, around the water cooler so-to-say, as we are, they are as vulgar as anyone. So your point was not proven.
I believe that you were at "check", I call "checkmate".

 

[FAcFriend]

By the way the title of this thread is "NET JETS strike deadline." Has anyone heard the results of the vote? Has it happened? Postponed? Has the union decided NOT to take a strike vote since they have been put in deep freeze?

 

[Live4flyng]

By the way the title of this thread is "NET JETS strike deadline." Has anyone heard the results of the vote? Has it happened? Postponed? Has the union decided NOT to take a strike vote since they have been put in deep freeze?

Just curious, why would you care? Scratching for a little info? Pass this on to your bosses, IT'S A SECRET! Try and guess what is next.

 

[100LL... Again!]

I've never met a doctor or lawyer who would respond in such a puerile fashion, so thanks for proving my point.


Ok. I was going to give you the benefit, but you had to open you mouth and spill out rubbish. Have you ever worked for an attorney or a doctor? My guess is no. My mother is a nurse and my sister a paralegal. Around clients, no they would not "respond in such a puerile fashion". But, around the water cooler so-to-say, as we are, they are as vulgar as anyone. So your point was not proven.
I believe that you were at "check", I call "checkmate".

I have worked with plenty of attorneys and physicians.

And all of them are classier than you. You really put the profession in the blue-collar realm. Jusu cussin' away and spouting your silly little union-think.

No wonder management usually gets the upper hand.

And no, you were never going to "give me the benefit".

Please.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Your opinion is welcomed, I can say that because I've payed for your right to have it.

It does bother me that someone that presents themselves as very educated would comment as an expert on an organization they really know nothing about.

Respectfully, "If ya aint in it, ya won't get it".

Are you done with that "Holier than Thou" attitude?

Dont make the mistake of assuming you and the other pilots are the only people that have paid for people to have the right to free speech. There are hundreds of non-pilots inside NetJets that have served their country and paid the price....

Respectfully, We are here 'in it' and we dont 'get it'.

 

[ce750drvr]

I have worked with plenty of attorneys and physicians.

And all of them are classier than you. You really put the profession in the blue-collar realm. Jusu cussin' away and spouting your silly little union-think.

No wonder management usually gets the upper hand.

And no, you were never going to "give me the benefit".

Please.

Class huh? You are just the model child for class.
Excuse me while I bow down to thee.
I spouted no "silly little union-think"
I put the profession in the blue-collar realm?

You worked with attorneys? Being invovled in a law suit doesn't constitute "working" with them.
You worked with physicians? Having your head surgically removed from you ass doesn't constitute "working" with them.

Management gets the upper hand because they are management.
Like atty's and dr.'s, I am white collar and a professional at work, but like some of those atty's and dr's, you bet your ass I'm blue collar when I'm off work and at home. I worked hard physical labor to help pay my way through college. Keep drinking your 100LL.

Oh, by the way, both my attorney and my doctor told me to tell you to go to hell. They bet 100 bucks each that I could kick your ass.

 

[Whirlwind]

Now think carefully before responding: I am not saying that there are not many pilots who are as dedicated to their profession as a doctor. I said that flying does not REQUIRE that level of dedication. This should be obvious from the fact that you can put a 500 hour know-nothing in the right seat of an RJ.

Where is the equivalent example in medecine or law? There isn't one.
If we ran our profession the same way as the doctors or lawyers do, all airline pilots would need several thousand hours, an ATP, and have to pass a board-type exam before acting as SIC on a Beech 1900.

You might point out that many of the better employers require the experience that I have just stated, and you would be right. However, we have lots of places where eager low-timers can fill up a logbook quickly and then become a low-wage threat to more qualifies, more deserving pilots.

There exists no similar threat in the medical profession. Why?

Because between the government and the barriers created by the medical profession, you have to jump through a lot of hoops before you get to first practice medecine.

You can become an FO in about a year if you have the $$$.

And THAT is our problem.

Truer words have never been spoken... It is too easy to become an airline pilot, which is why airline pilots are paid what they are...

It is basic Econ 101, supply and demand. Everything else is just noise and details...

 

[FAcFriend]

Just curious, why would you care? Scratching for a little info? Pass this on to your bosses, IT'S A SECRET! Try and guess what is next.

No, because a few weeks ago, the group was talking about WOW, our strike vote will put mngt onthe run...and now..poof..no strike vote -

or no strike vote results...

Could it be that a loud minority is talking for a quiet majority?

 

[Starman]

The strike vote is coming.

 

[smartnetjetwife]

i've got my money on a loud minority.

SMARTERnjawife

 

[FAcFriend]

i've got my money on a loud minority.

how long has it been? 3+ years.

Maybe time for the quiet majority to speak up.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Even if it is 100% in favor, it matters little because the union cannot strike without permision from the NMB. For them to do that they have to find the company in fault for not bargaining in good faith. Hasn't happened. Probably won't.