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[Some Dude]

I DO NOT solve problems anymore. I only call in my times. I do not relay any info to Fort Fumble. I do NOT have the big picture according to them. I just stand out of the way and watch the walls of this place crumble. I let people make their mistakes. How else will they learn?

 

[FamilyGuy]

I DO NOT solve problems anymore. I only call in my times. I do not relay any info to Fort Fumble. I do NOT have the big picture according to them. I just stand out of the way and watch the walls of this place crumble. I let people make their mistakes. How else will they learn?

Yeah, that sounds like someone we should give a raise to. You're fortunate that you dont get judged based on performance like everyone in "Fort Fumble" that you always want to bash. Just keep bumbling along in that lowest five percent, ever relying on the union to protect your sub-standard performance from true accountability.

Have you ever solved a problem? I dont think you have the character and professionalism to solve any problem, as evidenced by the garbage and profanity that you contribute here. The only way you could come close to solving a problem is if you LEAVE THE COMPANY.

 

[Diesel]

Actually if we keep solving problems do i get your paycheck. So because i'm not willing to do everyone else's work I on top of my own i should be punished?

You don't see planes falling out of the sky? But i do see screwups on a daily basis from upstairs. Who is really just bumbling along?

 

[dsptchrnja]

Actually if we keep solving problems do i get your paycheck.

Anyone who spends as much time on these boards complaining and whining about NJA as much as you is part of the problem not part of the solution.

 

[On Your Six]

Yeah, that sounds like someone we should give a raise to. You're fortunate that you dont get judged based on performance like everyone in "Fort Fumble" that you always want to bash. Just keep bumbling along in that lowest five percent, ever relying on the union to protect your sub-standard performance from true accountability.

Have you ever solved a problem? I dont think you have the character and professionalism to solve any problem, as evidenced by the garbage and profanity that you contribute here. The only way you could come close to solving a problem is if you LEAVE THE COMPANY.

It's difficult to solve problems when you are worried about covering your mortgage and ensuring your kids remember who you are... It's hard to solve pressing owner problems when you have had minimal rest and you are forced to sit in FBOs unnecessarily as a result of punitive action stemming from not being "flexible" or "compliant" enough...

How do you think Herb Kelleher at SWA would evaluate the state of employee/management relations at NJA? Probably would not be impressed.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Anyone who spends as much time on these boards complaining and whining about NJA as much as you is part of the problem not part of the solution.

Let's see, 36 posts in this thread so far (including this one), and you have 8 of them. Diesel has 3. Who's spending "time on these boards complaining and whining?"

 

[Some Dude]

Ha Ha, I pissed off Family Guy again. Loser you are such an easy target. You know nothing about me or what problems I have solved on a day to day basis. I just don't solve other departments problems. Why should I? If I have to cross a line of weather on a flight I don't call up catering and get their opinion on how to do it. So why would I solve any problems for another department? That is managements job. Your just pi$$ed because I call you out when you are not telling the truth. Now go back in your hole ya little mole!!

 

[DO-82 driver]

Let's all hope that some of the jobs presently done in CMH don't more to the Carolina's. Wouldn't that be an ironic twist of fate. I'd kind of like to see it happen.


All schedulers, flight managers dispatchers wx folks ACP.....you now have to report to South carolina to earn you pay......what's that....you don't want to move????? see ya!!!!

 

[FamilyGuy]

Your just pi$$ed because I call you out when you are not telling the truth.

Where did you point out that I wasnt telling the truth?

I'll admit I have no patience for slackers and slugs who boast about doing nothing and watching from the sidelines while things go astray that they could easily address....this goes for all groups - pilots, non-flight crew employees, managers... people who do this are a dead weight on everyone else that has to cover for them.

So yes, when you admit to being a dead-beat I will get pissed and call you out on it....if you knowingly engage in that behavior and then have the gall to boast about it, IMO you have no place in this company. Go find some socialist country that wants to carry your lazy @ss. This is one of the fundamental differences that I've had with unions in the past....they want to conveniently overlook and protect people who engage in this behavior rather than policing their own. If you want to be paid like a professional then you need to act like a professional. It really is a simple concept.

 

[Some Dude]

Man Family Guy are you ok? I mean your rants and howls on this board are similiar to a caged animal or a man being raped in prision.

So, you are saying if I don't solve another departments problem I should move to a socialist country? You are starting to lose it. I suggest you seek help. Don't ask me though because I do NOT solve other persons problems. I do a great job because I DO my job and not try to do every other job at the company. Who sharted?

 

[Hogprint]

Ultra Gump observed:

Let's see, 36 posts in this thread so far (including this one), and you have 8 of them. Diesel has 3. Who's spending "time on these boards complaining and whining?"

I wonder if the company moles get paid to post here while at work? They sure seem busy on this board for overworked casino folk....

 

[Fracster]

The mistakes that scheduling, owner services and dispatch make are consistent. Nothing has changed, PERIOD.

Have some people been fired? I dont know. Why were they let go? Probably becuase they thought ouside the box or they didnt buy in to the fifedoms that make up much of Bridgeway.

We can all show you everyday where the mistakes are. Ferrying to a location with no trip just to ferry back out later that day. Oh, thats right, I dont have the big picture. If we were backing up a trip then where was the other aircraft. Having someone work a 14 hour day, 10 hours turn to work another 8 to 10 hours to be shut down to wake up 10 hours later just after midnight. Where is the logic there.
Having owner services tell my pax that we would be there 2 hours earlier than we were legaly able to show. The company knew what was going on the night before. Owner services knew the night before as well. And what do we do, tell the pax in detail how STUPID and INCOMPETENT dispatch and owner services are. I encourage each owner to call the company and I provide them with the names of the people who schedule and dispatch their flight.



Like I said before, dispatch is the best of the bunch but still has many problems.

Scheduling and owner services are a complete joke. Its not even a question or argument. Its fact.

Now Moisture, Mcghoo and Shamtulli want the pilots opinion of how we can make owners experience better and more efficient? Fook them, we have been trying to solve their inadequacies for years and never taken seriously. Let the company go down in flames, Ill bring the marshmellows.

 

[Majik]

If you want to be paid like a professional then you need to act like a professional. It really is a simple concept.

I used to agree and think it was a simple concept until we hit the 3 year mark. Santulli then convinced me that if we want to be paid like professionals, we need to use every tool in the drawer and fight tooth and nail. If that means showing him how hard it is to run a profitable business if the pilots follow the current contract to the letter, then that's what we will do.

Bottom line - We are in the process of removing the financial incentive these delays have given Santulli. We will take it as far as he wants to go. After the last contract he said, "You guys could have done a lot better!"
We won't make that same mistake twice.

 

[FamilyGuy]

I used to agree and think it was a simple concept until we hit the 3 year mark. Santulli then convinced me that if we want to be paid like professionals, we need to use every tool in the drawer and fight tooth and nail. If that means showing him how hard it is to run a profitable business if the pilots follow the current contract to the letter, then that's what we will do.

Bottom line - We are in the process of removing the financial incentive these delays have given Santulli. We will take it as far as he wants to go. After the last contract he said, "You guys could have done a lot better!"
We won't make that same mistake twice.

I've never understood this line of reasoning.

I want more money, so I'll perform poorly and do everything I can to screw up the system so that the company loses money....that will make them want to pay me more...

If NetJets is in negotiations with a maintenance vendor do you think they will want to pay more for their services if the vendor performs poorly? What about a caterer? or hotel? FBO? Rental car? Limo?

And as I've pointed out before, you cant lay the blame for the three years entirely at the feet of the company....both sides are to blame for the delay. Still waiting for someone to refute that.

 

[squonk]

Family guy:

I've never understood this line of reasoning.

I want more money, so I'll perform poorly and do everything I can to screw up the system so that the company loses money....that will make them want to pay me more...

Let me guess. You'd have us bust tail letting the company grow on our backs while the puppet masters gobble up market share in far flung places around the globe? Does this fit the MO for this company?

We tried this for the better part of eight years. It hasn't worked for the pilots. It DID however work for the company.

This is a new tack. Surely you understand that.

We call it negotiating 101.