NetJets seniority

[Spooky 1]

How is seniority established within a new hire class? Age/birthdate, date of interview or?

Thanks in advance

 

[flywest]

Its done by age: Older = more senior

 

[Fracster]

Seniority means very little at NJA. The schedules are awarded on seniority but not with the right percentages. Trips are not assigned based on seniority but rather who kisses arse more. Airplanes assignments are based on whats available at the time of the employment offer. Vacations are the only schedule that is truly seniority based without outside influence.

As always its a sh!t job so make sure you aware entering this venture with eyes wide open.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Seniority means very little at NJA. The schedules are awarded on seniority but not with the right percentages. Trips are not assigned based on seniority but rather who kisses arse more. Airplanes assignments are based on whats available at the time of the employment offer. Vacations are the only schedule that is truly seniority based without outside influence.

As always its a sh!t job so make sure you aware entering this venture with eyes wide open.

Given the level of frustration, a little hyperbole can be excused. Yes, seniority is assigned w/in the class by age. And now, folks go thru indoc first. Yes, arse kissing does occur but you have an inflated sense of self worth if you think the schedulers are out to deliberately screw you in particular. To be honest, I don't think most of them know whether their own arses are drilled or punched and most of the trips are quite random in their assignment. This explains the waste as well as anything. They just don't have it together. That said, there is deliberate favoritism re the type of trips that the NJI guys do everyday and with the over time pay that you get for working extended days (sometimes just after midnights). So, most are busting their humps flying a lot of legs while a few are doing the same or less work and making decent pay.
Of course, this varies by fleet. To my knowledge, the non-APU a/c don't even have an A-team.

 

[Flying Illini]

The way you say it, being on the "A-team" is a bad thing...is that correct?

 

[hydrarkt]

Where seniority really DOES matter is in schedule bidding for the 7 and 7 schedule. Only half of each fleet gets 7 and 7 and it's bid by seniority. There is a LOT of plane changing now with pilots in larger airplanes going to smaller airplanes in order to get the 7 and 7. This, of course, hurts the company overall. But until there is a new contract, this will continue.
BTW, there is a good chance that much of the "A" team favoritism will be eliminated from the "just after midnight" deal. A little birdie told me

 

[dsptchrnja]

They just don't have it together.

How easy is it to criticize a job that you've never done a day in your life?

 

[Diesel]

dispatchrnja-

The same goes for you.

 

[dsptchrnja]

...trips are quite random in their assignment. This explains the waste as well as anything... So, most are busting their humps flying a lot of legs while a few are doing the same or less work and making decent pay.

Do you have access to Ijet? Do you see every crew line for every tail the company is flying every day and do you watch it throughout the day to see how changes develop and how decisions are made? If not then I suggest not being so dogmatic in your assumptions.

 

[dsptchrnja]

dispatchrnja-

The same goes for you.

I knew their was something we could agree on Diesel

 

[Cavpilot]

How easy is it to criticize a job that you've never done a day in your life?

You know Dsptchr, I have been lurking in the background on his board reading the absolute nonsense that you and the other company shills have been spewing. But this was the last straw for me to keep my silence. Is scheduling's job easy? No, I don't think it is. But you know what, neither is mine (yes, I'm an NJA pilot).The standard that I am held to is merely perfection. Thats right, if I make a mistake I am summoned to Bridgeway, violated, terminated or dead.
So frankly, I don't give a rats ass if scheduling has a difficult job. That is no exuse for piss poor performance.

 

[dsptchrnja]

No one said your job was easy.

No one in NJA is perfect, but they hold us all equally accountable in direct proportion to the level of responsibility we have accepted.

No one said anything about the level of difficulty of being an NJA scheduler. What I did try to say was that you can't criticize them for "piss poor performance" until you know the how, when, what, where, who, and why. Do you appreciate being judged by others that have never done your job? Particularly when they don't have the whole story? You just sound angry. Schedulers are an easy target, I know.

Or perhaps you have fundamental, objective differences on how scheduling should be changed. If you were in their shoes tomorrow what would you do differently that the schedulers sitting there now have never thought of? Perhaps some of them who review this board could constructively answer the specific complaints you have and clear up some confusion.

 

[Some Dude]

Hmmm. I remember a certain scheduler that had a plane ferry from CMH to CA. It turns out she was riding in the back out to CA for her vacation.

You can punch a hole in the wall and not get fired if you are a certain scheduler. They are not held to any standards at all. Of course the job is NOT easy. It is difficult but you cannot compare their job to ours.

 

[stingray]

but they hold us all equally accountable in direct proportion to the level of responsibility we have accepted.

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That is complete Bull. People in CMH are no where near held accountable as the pilot group is.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Your entitled to your opinion... but it's not too convincing.

 

[Cavpilot]

No one in NJA is perfect, but they hold us all equally accountable in direct proportion to the level of responsibility we have accepted.

I don't believe that for a second. If a pilot makes an error, it is out there for everyone to see. Everyone from Owner Services to the Chief Pilot want a piece of your ass. If a scheduler makes a mistake, they can cover their tracks with more bad scheduling. There is not a pilot out there that has not seen it happen.

What I did try to say was that you can't criticize them for "piss poor performance" until you know the how, when, what, where, who, and why.

Guess what release faxer, the pilots are the ones on the business end of scheduling's "piss poor performance". We know what a lousy job they do because we are the ones excecuting their illconceved, poorly thought out plans.

If you were in their shoes tomorrow what would you do differently that the schedulers sitting there now have never thought of?

First of all, I would put a line pilot in charge of scheduling, not another scheduler. Then I would put some accountability in place, because it is obvious that the fox is watching the henhouse.

Dispatcher, I work hard for this company, and I am getting sick and tired of solving all of the f*** ups from Bridgeway. If every department in the casino was held to the same standard as the pilots were, I doubt we would be having this discussion.

 

[Sarka]

Can you feel the love? I can.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Yeah, Release Faxer; be glad the pilots are held to such a standard. It allows you to screw up and get away with it. Now get back to crewops.com because you can't access this site from Bridgeway.

 

[Fracster]

but they hold us all equally accountable in direct proportion to the level of responsibility we have accepted.

I've never heard such BS. Owner services, scheduling, dispatch are not held accountable to anyone for anything. Never have, never will. I will say that dispatch isnt nearly as bad as Owner services and scheduling but they still should be better.

For being 121 certified, a loosely used term, there should be no mistakes.

As for owner services and scheduling, those fifedoms will never change. They are and will be the demise of NetJets.

 

[El Chupacabra]

IMO... you are making a mistake by assailing the work of other departments.

You do this in reaction to people posting who SAY they work in one department or another. But do they really?

The people in those departments have their hands tied (by upper management) in similar manner that you do.

After several tries of why don't we do it this way... wouldn't it be better IF....

You just do what they tell you to do and punch out when your shift is over. Think about it. After I close the hatch and get on an airline home... I do not worry how the ship I just left is running. Its up to the next guy.

The workers in other departments did not selloff the core fleet. They did not create the sales quotas that oversell the fleet.