NetJets seniority

[Ultra Grump]

El Chup - well said. See? We do agree on something!

 

[Diesel]

Plus look at how overworked disptaching is. They don't have time to do anything else. They make mistakes they are human but it's the incredible stress of doing faster, quicker more across every friggin fleet that makes the mistakes.

We can reduce a ton of mistakes by just having dispatcher that dispatch one fleet. The needs of a 400xp are far different than the needs of the X. How is a dispatcher supposed remember each and every little detail when we set them up to fail?

 

[Fracster]

Chup,

I agree their hands are tied in certain situations but efficient or punitive scheduling is just that. It does not require upper level management to do so. The owner services people who consistently outright lie to the pax are doing so without pressure from management. Maybe its low moral character, maybe its something else.

 

[El Chupacabra]

My other point Fracster is that we cannot let trolls who may or may not be truthful about what they do for the company... incite us beyond where we need to go.

One or a few posts obviously made to measure or deflate support for our MEC. Its a joke. We love this MEC... in overwhelming numbers.

"Tell your MEC to show you the money"... PLEASE....

Its just bait.

No MEC endorsement on the lowball offer rumoured to be coming = overwhelming NO vote.

Ring-a-Ling. Hear them sing.​

Soon it will be Christmas Day.​

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"I know what your thinking. Did he fire 6 shots or just 5? You feeling lucky Punk? Well do ya?"

 

[Fracster]

True, true.

 

[Sarka]

IMO... you are making a mistake by assailing the work of other departments.

I agree. You are directing your frustrations at the wrong people.

 

[FamilyGuy]

I've never heard such BS. Owner services, scheduling, dispatch are not held accountable to anyone for anything. Never have, never will. I will say that dispatch isnt nearly as bad as Owner services and scheduling but they still should be better.

So what are you basing this assesment on? Facts? Gut feeling? Perception?

Do you have any idea how many flight center employees have been disciplined and/or let go? Do you have any idea how many managers have been let go?

You guys are quick to lament the frequent turnover in mgmt ranks but do you have any idea how many have been let go or forced out?

If you've got some statistics showing the number of people in each category that have been let go I'd love to see them.....

I have no idea what discipline has been levied in the pilot ranks and rightfully so, it's none of my business. By the same token, I doubt the pilots have any idea of the discipline levied in the employee or manager ranks, nor should they as it is none of their business.

IMO... you are making a mistake by assailing the work of other departments.

This is clearly the most intelligent post you've made on these boards El Chup. Good advice that everyone should follow.

 

[dsptchrnja]

I don't believe that for a second. If a pilot makes an error, it is out there for everyone to see. Everyone from Owner Services to the Chief Pilot want a piece of your ass. If a scheduler makes a mistake, they can cover their tracks with more bad scheduling. There is not a pilot out there that has not seen it happen.

Guess what release faxer, the pilots are the ones on the business end of scheduling's "piss poor performance". We know what a lousy job they do because we are the ones excecuting their illconceved, poorly thought out plans.

First of all, I would put a line pilot in charge of scheduling, not another scheduler. Then I would put some accountability in place, because it is obvious that the fox is watching the henhouse.

Dispatcher, I work hard for this company, and I am getting sick and tired of solving all of the f*** ups from Bridgeway. If every department in the casino was held to the same standard as the pilots were, I doubt we would be having this discussion.

You know, you make it so tempting and so easy to get on here everyday like you guys do and just talk about all the pilot errors and screw ups I deal with every day... but you know what? Ain't gonna do it out of the respect for the 95% of great poeple we have at this company and my own plain dignity. You have got to be one of the most arrogant people I have ever heard run their mouth off on this board.

As Dale Carnagie said:

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[dsptchrnja]

I've never heard such BS. Owner services, scheduling, dispatch are not held accountable to anyone for anything. Never have, never will. I will say that dispatch isnt nearly as bad as Owner services and scheduling but they still should be better.

I already proved in earlier posts that we are held accountable so you saying otherwise means nothing.

For being 121 certified, a loosely used term, there should be no mistakes.

Hmmm.. perfection is quite a standard - Can you give me an exmple of a 121 operation out there that doesn't make any mistakes?

So how would you rate if I applied that same standard to you that you expect from us? Do you even want to go there?

As for owner services and scheduling, those fifedoms will never change. They are and will be the demise of NetJets.

Hmmm... Dale Carnagie comes to mind quite often tonight...

 

[Cavpilot]

I already proved in earlier posts that we are held accountable so you saying otherwise means nothing.

Then why are the same screw ups still here? I deal with stupid scheduling three out of ever six (or more) days a tour. As I have said before, the pilots are the ones that have to put up with schedulings poorly thought out plans. I have numerous examples, but I will not be specific on an open web site.

I said it before, and I will say it again; I think that Netjets is a great Company. Unfortunatly, there are are a lot people in Bridgway doing their best (unwittingly) to bring it all down. I don't care what is spelled out in the next contract, if the managment does not change we are all doomed.

 

[Some Dude]

I DO NOT solve problems anymore. I only call in my times. I do not relay any info to Fort Fumble. I do NOT have the big picture according to them. I just stand out of the way and watch the walls of this place crumble. I let people make their mistakes. How else will they learn?

 

[FamilyGuy]

I DO NOT solve problems anymore. I only call in my times. I do not relay any info to Fort Fumble. I do NOT have the big picture according to them. I just stand out of the way and watch the walls of this place crumble. I let people make their mistakes. How else will they learn?

Yeah, that sounds like someone we should give a raise to. You're fortunate that you dont get judged based on performance like everyone in "Fort Fumble" that you always want to bash. Just keep bumbling along in that lowest five percent, ever relying on the union to protect your sub-standard performance from true accountability.

Have you ever solved a problem? I dont think you have the character and professionalism to solve any problem, as evidenced by the garbage and profanity that you contribute here. The only way you could come close to solving a problem is if you LEAVE THE COMPANY.

 

[Diesel]

Actually if we keep solving problems do i get your paycheck. So because i'm not willing to do everyone else's work I on top of my own i should be punished?

You don't see planes falling out of the sky? But i do see screwups on a daily basis from upstairs. Who is really just bumbling along?

 

[dsptchrnja]

Actually if we keep solving problems do i get your paycheck.

Anyone who spends as much time on these boards complaining and whining about NJA as much as you is part of the problem not part of the solution.

 

[On Your Six]

Yeah, that sounds like someone we should give a raise to. You're fortunate that you dont get judged based on performance like everyone in "Fort Fumble" that you always want to bash. Just keep bumbling along in that lowest five percent, ever relying on the union to protect your sub-standard performance from true accountability.

Have you ever solved a problem? I dont think you have the character and professionalism to solve any problem, as evidenced by the garbage and profanity that you contribute here. The only way you could come close to solving a problem is if you LEAVE THE COMPANY.

It's difficult to solve problems when you are worried about covering your mortgage and ensuring your kids remember who you are... It's hard to solve pressing owner problems when you have had minimal rest and you are forced to sit in FBOs unnecessarily as a result of punitive action stemming from not being "flexible" or "compliant" enough...

How do you think Herb Kelleher at SWA would evaluate the state of employee/management relations at NJA? Probably would not be impressed.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Anyone who spends as much time on these boards complaining and whining about NJA as much as you is part of the problem not part of the solution.

Let's see, 36 posts in this thread so far (including this one), and you have 8 of them. Diesel has 3. Who's spending "time on these boards complaining and whining?"

 

[Some Dude]

Ha Ha, I pissed off Family Guy again. Loser you are such an easy target. You know nothing about me or what problems I have solved on a day to day basis. I just don't solve other departments problems. Why should I? If I have to cross a line of weather on a flight I don't call up catering and get their opinion on how to do it. So why would I solve any problems for another department? That is managements job. Your just pi$$ed because I call you out when you are not telling the truth. Now go back in your hole ya little mole!!

 

[DO-82 driver]

Let's all hope that some of the jobs presently done in CMH don't more to the Carolina's. Wouldn't that be an ironic twist of fate. I'd kind of like to see it happen.


All schedulers, flight managers dispatchers wx folks ACP.....you now have to report to South carolina to earn you pay......what's that....you don't want to move????? see ya!!!!

 

[FamilyGuy]

Your just pi$$ed because I call you out when you are not telling the truth.

Where did you point out that I wasnt telling the truth?

I'll admit I have no patience for slackers and slugs who boast about doing nothing and watching from the sidelines while things go astray that they could easily address....this goes for all groups - pilots, non-flight crew employees, managers... people who do this are a dead weight on everyone else that has to cover for them.

So yes, when you admit to being a dead-beat I will get pissed and call you out on it....if you knowingly engage in that behavior and then have the gall to boast about it, IMO you have no place in this company. Go find some socialist country that wants to carry your lazy @ss. This is one of the fundamental differences that I've had with unions in the past....they want to conveniently overlook and protect people who engage in this behavior rather than policing their own. If you want to be paid like a professional then you need to act like a professional. It really is a simple concept.

 

[Some Dude]

Man Family Guy are you ok? I mean your rants and howls on this board are similiar to a caged animal or a man being raped in prision.

So, you are saying if I don't solve another departments problem I should move to a socialist country? You are starting to lose it. I suggest you seek help. Don't ask me though because I do NOT solve other persons problems. I do a great job because I DO my job and not try to do every other job at the company. Who sharted?