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[FAcFriend]

FG&hawkered

Well, I have always thought you guys spoke level headed about had great insight about business. I love listening (reading) your posts about the strength of the brand, branding strategy, the analogy to MCD's, etc.

FF

 

[Hawkered]

Family Guy

Thanks for the quick and very respectful reply, and for you to be doing this outside of normal business hours shows enormous care, concern and passion for the company and by extension, the pilot group.

Please understand that many of the pilot group see many problems that are not being addressed. One is the conduct of a certain salesman who knows absolutely nothing about the plane specifics and enters aircraft without introduction and without prominently displaying his ID. We have CPs with extremely poor system knowledge, training done by vendors that don't know or even care about our SOPs and FBO standards that would be poor in developing nations...Jackson Hole being one of them, and charter operators that are flying as vendors that aren't even close.

Many of these problems can be related by pilots who feel they are being employed at a fair rate of compensation and who feel that the company values them as an asset rather than the liability that these extended negotiations have made many people feel.

You're a good guy, I can tell, hopefully you've got friends up there that share your ideals and we can get this show back on the road.

 

[Lie_n_wait01]

Seniority means very little at NJA. The schedules are awarded on seniority but not with the right percentages. Trips are not assigned based on seniority but rather who kisses arse more. Airplanes assignments are based on whats available at the time of the employment offer. Vacations are the only schedule that is truly seniority based without outside influence.

As always its a sh!t job so make sure you aware entering this venture with eyes wide open.

FRACSTER....PERHAPS YOUVE BEEN KISSING THE WRONG ARSE!!!!!
DONT TAKE IT OUT ON US!!!! LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GAME!!!!!! and be sure when you pucker up, you do it to the right ARSE!!!!!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

Just can't wait till Friday. I need some exercise.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Just can't wait till Friday. I need some exercise.

TGIF
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Going on Walk About.​

 

[squonk]

I'm a walk'n....yes indeed, and I'm a hope'n that you'll come walk with me........

 

[FamilyGuy]

Family Guy

Thanks for the quick and very respectful reply, and for you to be doing this outside of normal business hours shows enormous care, concern and passion for the company and by extension, the pilot group.

Please understand that many of the pilot group see many problems that are not being addressed. One is the conduct of a certain salesman who knows absolutely nothing about the plane specifics and enters aircraft without introduction and without prominently displaying his ID. We have CPs with extremely poor system knowledge, training done by vendors that don't know or even care about our SOPs and FBO standards that would be poor in developing nations...Jackson Hole being one of them, and charter operators that are flying as vendors that aren't even close.

Many of these problems can be related by pilots who feel they are being employed at a fair rate of compensation and who feel that the company values them as an asset rather than the liability that these extended negotiations have made many people feel.

You're a good guy, I can tell, hopefully you've got friends up there that share your ideals and we can get this show back on the road.

ed - thank you for the kind reply. I'm happy to say that most of the people here in the flight center share my ideals. Yes, we all have our challenges, but pretty much everyone here tries to do their best every day.

Do we have problems? Yes. But its been my experience that every place has problems. There is no perfect company out there. As you solve some of the problems, you encounter new ones...its just a fact of life. Still, all in all, this is the best company I've found....so its my intention to stay here and work on solving the problems, not sit back and lament them.

You bring up some interesting issues. I wont claim to have the answers to them, as most of them have nothing to do with my job here. But I have to ask...who have these problems been reported to?

Is it a case of the problems being reported and nothing being done to rectify them, or are the issues not getting reported and addressed? Another possibility is that your point may be valid, but there are little to no better options...for example your point on the FBO at Jackson Hole...it happens to be the only FBO on the field.

We've been asked to refer all crew reported issues to the crew resource center for follow up. I understand that they have done a good job of following up issues that the crews have encountered. I'd recommend starting there with these issues. Hopefully they can get some of these problems resolved.

 

[FamilyGuy]

I'm a walk'n....yes indeed, and I'm a hope'n that you'll come walk with me........

Come on squonk...that too obvious. You need to go for some of the more obscure lyrics.... like these....

#1
Now i'm not looking for absolution
Forgiveness for the things i do
But before you come to any conclusions
Try walking in my shoes
You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments i kept
If you try walking in my shoes
Morality would frown upon
Indecency looked down upon
The scapegoat fate's made of me
But i promise now, my judge and jurors
My intentions couldn't have been purer
My case is easy to see
I'm not looking for a clearer conscience
Peace of mind after what i've been through
And before we talk of any repentance
Try walking in my shoes
You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments i kept
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes
Now i'm not looking for absolution
Forgiveness for the things i do
But before you come to any conclusions
Try walking in my shoes
You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments i kept
If you try walking in my shoes


#2
And the walking man walks
Doesn't know nothing at all
Any other man stops and talks
But the walking man walks on by
Walk on by

Most everybody's got seed to sow
It ain't always easy for a weed to grow, oh no
So he don't hoe the row for no one
Oh for sure he's always missing
And something is never quite right
Ah, but who would want to listen to you
Kissing his existence good night

Walking man walk on by my door
Well, any other man stops and talks
But not the walking man
He's the walking man
Born to walk
Walk on walking man
Well now, would he have wings to fly
Would he be free
Golden wings against the sky
Walking man, walk on by
So long, walking man, so long


#3
You're walking on thin ice
You'll have to pay the price
You just don't listen
You never take advice
But i've got to warn you
You'd better heed my mind
While you walk on thin ice
I'm right behind
You're treading a tight-rope
You know you're going to fall
You just don't listen
Think you can have it all

 

[squonk]

Family Guy, you do have talent!

Put a guitar in his hand and I think we've found the entertainment for this years Christmas hangar party!

Now lets all sing along!........

Because your mine....I walk the line.....

 

[gunfyter]

Fractional Aviation Blues

I hear the plane a comin'
Its rollin round the bend
and I ain't seen a new contract
since I don't know when

I'm stuck at NJA
and time keeps draggin on
and those planes keep a goin' to a service center
on down to San Antone...

When I was just a baby
My momma told me son
Don't ever fly for a living
only fly for fun

But I fly a jet for rich folks
just to pass the time.
When I see my paycheck
I hang my head and cry

I bet there's rich folks eatin'
in those fancy jets of ours
I bet they're drinkin' coffee
and smokin big cigars

But I know I had it comin
I know I can't be free.
But those people keep a movin'
and thats what tortures me....

Well if they free me from this prison
If this union gets released
I'll be walking proudly
on the Picket line
Far from fractional aviation
thats where I want to be...

 

[Fracster]

FRACSTER....PERHAPS YOUVE BEEN KISSING THE WRONG ARSE!!!!!
DONT TAKE IT OUT ON US!!!! LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GAME!!!!!! and be sure when you pucker up, you do it to the right ARSE!!!!!!

Funny.

I havent kissed any a$$ and don't plan to. I go to work, do what Im supposed to and the forget about this sh!t hole when Im home. I had dinner on the road with a guy who sent grapefruits to a scheduler to get good trip and schedule. That much a$$ kissing is not for me.

 

[ce750drvr]

Still waiting on an answer Dixon.

Where do you get this number? If what you are saying is accurate then its public information and you can post it. Why the delay?

FG,

I will speak for Dixon. The poor guy just lost both grandparents in a terrible accident, so he is busy with his family. The info was copied and pasted from a company filing on the "old union" website and is lost (we don't use that site anymore) unless someone else can find it. It does exist, I am not sure where is was copied from though. If you go back and read Dixons' first posts, he came across as a professional and had some good points. After reading the conversation between the two of you, it sounded as though you didn't agree with his "opinion" and started to carry an attitude. He is a great guy and I use to fly with him in a previous fleet. I can tell you that he wants this company to succeed, but, he is also sick of being treated the way that we have been.
It gets old after four and a half years.

Again FG, check your attitude at the door, just because he has an opinion and you don't agree with it, you should respect his opinion and leave it at that. Your post generalizes pilots sh!tting on you. You didn't clarify that a "few" were actually doing the sh!tting when you lashed out. That is where he took offense. He is correct in that we are giving this job 100%, not the 110% that the company is use too.

Take you own advise, go back and re-read your post and maybe you will see what he was talking about.

Respectfully,
750

 

[Hawkered]

Well I don't know if I can complain too much right now. I just walked past a poor jumpseater in Charlotte as I gave my company paid ticket home to the ticket agent.

It was a fun week at work with excellent crew meals and lots of Hilton points. Early starts, but not too bad.

I don't think sitting reserve after each upgrade at the airlines was this good.

Now if we could only do something about the pay!!!

 

[FamilyGuy]

FG,

I will speak for Dixon. The poor guy just lost both grandparents in a terrible accident, so he is busy with his family. The info was copied and pasted from a company filing on the "old union" website and is lost (we don't use that site anymore) unless someone else can find it. It does exist, I am not sure where is was copied from though. If you go back and read Dixons' first posts, he came across as a professional and had some good points. After reading the conversation between the two of you, it sounded as though you didn't agree with his "opinion" and started to carry an attitude. He is a great guy and I use to fly with him in a previous fleet. I can tell you that he wants this company to succeed, but, he is also sick of being treated the way that we have been.
It gets old after four and a half years.

Again FG, check your attitude at the door, just because he has an opinion and you don't agree with it, you should respect his opinion and leave it at that. Your post generalizes pilots sh!tting on you. You didn't clarify that a "few" were actually doing the sh!tting when you lashed out. That is where he took offense. He is correct in that we are giving this job 100%, not the 110% that the company is use too.

Take you own advise, go back and re-read your post and maybe you will see what he was talking about.

Respectfully,
750

750 - thank you for the info. I'm very sorry to hear about the tragedy in Dixon's family. My deepest sympathies go out to him and his family in this dark hour.