Netjets Recalls!!!!

[BentOver]

Oh! please, I was litterly begged to come to work at NJ back in 2000, but I could not take the pay cut. Compared to most jobs out there NJ is a dream job. The guys coming back from JUS where they have been in a holding pattern for 4 years will be making close to $100K/yr as an F/O and would be happy to spend the rest of their careers in the right seat the job is so good compared to most other places.

But that probably is not good enough for you because you know how to fly an airplane, and I mean that is very special skill that anyone with a certain level of skill and desire can accomplish.

You are correct. $100k for working 18 days a month, having barely any ability to trade work days, and not being able to enjoy playing in any type of leagues etc is not adequate.

Also zero chance of upgrading within the next ten years is unacceptable. And when one was able to upgrade it'll be into a Phenom with little chance for movement is not what I consider acceptable.

Is the job better than working for JUS? Most definitely. But being content to accept the fate of a NJA SIC merely because it is a better job than a night freight operation......

You have the same old story of Unions destroying your once promising career at whatever 121 you were at.. (started with a V, don't recall the company)

And anyone who finds NJA unacceceptable in its current form is ungrateful in your opinion.

 

[ultrarunner]

Interesting... But he may have been embellishing a bit... If he didn't try at NJA and only counted salary on the 7 on 7 off schedule he would have been making $132,219 a year... Based off of 80 hrs a month, he would have to be a 13yr MD-88 F/O.... Or is my math wrong??

Your math is correct. Furloughed so long, he's back on property at the top of the pay scale )))

 

[imacdog]

Your math is correct. Furloughed so long, he's back on property at the top of the pay scale )))

Just like some at NJA could be. Good to hear that pay longevity continues for the Delta furloughees.

 

[jonjuan]

Interesting... But he may have been embellishing a bit... If he didn't try at NJA and only counted salary on the 7 on 7 off schedule he would have been making $132,219 a year... Based off of 80 hrs a month, he would have to be a 13yr MD-88 F/O.... Or is my math wrong??

$140K/year on the smallest plane which would get him weekends/most holidays off, $21,000/year company 401K contribution (no self contribution required), $11,000 profit sharing, 3 soon to be 4 weeks vacation, 2-3 years until potential upgrade and $200K/year, $50/year unlimited world wide non-rev benefits for the whole family plus parents, among other perks.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

And Waldo will still be stunned they don't come back to NJ

 

[pilotyip]

And anyone who finds NJA unacceceptable in its current form is ungrateful in your opinion.

Not at all ungrateful, just out of touch with reality when compared to other jobs flying medium sized airplanes

 

[jetlag7]

Not at all ungrateful, just out of touch with reality when compared to other jobs flying medium sized airplanes

You're making the wrong comparison Yip.

You shouldn't be looking at the planes, but rather the CREW that pilot them.

I'm sure you know there are numerous "entry-level" corporate and charter jobs that operate similar equipment to what we fly. ("medium-sized airplanes" as you described them)

In fact, early in my career as a "freshly-minted" 500 hour First Officer, I flew charter for one of these companies in an aircraft very similar to the one I now fly for NJ.

In the here and now, I'm essentially performing the same duties as I did all those years ago, but for a larger compensation package.

So why do you think that is?

Do you suppose several thousand hours of experience and a few decades worth of additional experience have anything to do with it?

You could make a similar comparison between a recent medical school graduate and a surgical veteran. Although both are licensed the same, and both technically possess the same skillset, who do you think commands the higher salary?

Once upon a time, experience used to matter to NJ and they were willing to pay for seasoned flight crew.

Sadly, those days seem to be over.

NJ is no longer remotely competitive with other company compensation packages who are hiring pilots with the same level of training, experience, and qualifications.

In this regard, I believe they are the ones "out of touch with reality..."

 

[BentOver]

YIP is just of the mindset of "everyone should be happy that their job isn't as bad as someone elses".....

Allowing yourself to be subject to mediocrity does not mean everyone else should be ok with it.... It's the drive to be better or achieve more that makes some highly successful in this industry... (there are also some who are driven but just had the misfortune of bad timing or just not getting the call although they deserved it)

 

[pilotyip]

YIP is just of the mindset of "everyone should be happy that their job isn't as bad as someone elses".....

wrong, my post was just the opposite, the furloughed NJ guys at JUS are moving from mediocrity to a much better place when they get their recalls. Compared to what they have now being a NJ F/O for the rest of their life would double their current pay and give them much better QOL. What is wrong with that.

 

[OPECJet]

And Waldo will still be stunned they don't come back to NJ

Waldo doesn't want us back.

 

[gunfyter]

Easy on Yip ... he was right about the pilot shortage

 

[Praetorian]

You're making the wrong comparison Yip.

You shouldn't be looking at the planes, but rather the CREW that pilot them.

I'm sure you know there are numerous "entry-level" corporate and charter jobs that operate similar equipment to what we fly. ("medium-sized airplanes" as you described them)

In fact, early in my career as a "freshly-minted" 500 hour First Officer, I flew charter for one of these companies in an aircraft very similar to the one I now fly for NJ.

In the here and now, I'm essentially performing the same duties as I did all those years ago, but for a larger compensation package.

So why do you think that is?

Do you suppose several thousand hours of experience and a few decades worth of additional experience have anything to do with it?

You could make a similar comparison between a recent medical school graduate and a surgical veteran. Although both are licensed the same, and both technically possess the same skillset, who do you think commands the higher salary?

Once upon a time, experience used to matter to NJ and they were willing to pay for seasoned flight crew.

Sadly, those days seem to be over.

NJ is no longer remotely competitive with other company compensation packages who are hiring pilots with the same level of training, experience, and qualifications.

In this regard, I believe they are the ones "out of touch with reality..."

I really wish experience counted for something in aviation as it does in medicine, but it doesn't. Ask yourself, what would Chuck Yeager be if he were hired by NJ tomorrow? The lowest paid F/O on the seniority list.

 

[jetlag7]

I really wish experience counted for something in aviation as it does in medicine, but it doesn't. Ask yourself, what would Chuck Yeager be if he were hired by NJ tomorrow? The lowest paid F/O on the seniority list.

We're only paid what we can negotiate....

Why do you think Physicians in other countries earn considerably less than their US counterparts?

Look no further than The American Medical Association (AMA) -- arguably the most successful trade union in history.

 

[LAZYB]

We're only paid what we can negotiate....

Why do you think Physicians in other countries earn considerably less than their US counterparts?

Look no further than The American Medical Association (AMA) -- arguably the most successful trade union in history.

True dat

 

[Praetorian]

We're only paid what we can negotiate....

Why do you think Physicians in other countries earn considerably less than their US counterparts?

Look no further than The American Medical Association (AMA) -- arguably the most successful trade union in history.

Yea that was kinda my point.