Netjets Recalls!!!!

[CRAWDADDY]

I also agree the pressure point will be the FSI training bottleneck. Initials take many times more resources than recurrent events. I am so out of touch, is FSI Columbus in the netjets complex or do they still have their old building? In the hayday FSI Toledo was close and handled many NJA pilots. FSI shrunk during the recession, Toledo is gone and capacity may be an issue.

Good luck to those getting back.

FSI may be the turd in Waldo's punch bowl in a couple of ways. They are having trouble retaining instructors and they don't hesitate to leave because of having to resign seniority numbers. If the grass doesn't turn out to be greener outside of FSI, they come back with no losses. FSI can't afford to lose instructors/examiners. It's worse than NJA because there are fewer of them, their work can't be sold off and it takes a lot longer to train one of them than a new line pilot (or transition)

 

[Willy21]

Basic questions. I realize things are slow and upgrades non-existent, but what is movement like these days from fleet to fleet for FOs? How often do bids come out? What is the typical seat-lock? If a furloughee returns and is assigned the XLS or Phenom, what is the likely time before he can bid off?

Movement has been limited to displacements only with few exceptions. There are only a handfull of SICs on seat lock due to this. They said there will be open bids to the 350 coming out soon. How many will be SICs? My guess is initially not many.

As far as a furloughee bidding off of the XLS, Phenom or any other airplane they are assigned, it won't be anytime soon. I have been an SIC at NetJets for 7.5 years. I have missed every open SIC bid by over 400 numbers. There are many senior SICs that have been in the Encore and XL for 8 years that are waiting for the opportunity to move to a new airplane.

 

[CA1900]

I have missed every open SIC bid by over 400 numbers. There are many senior SICs that have been in the Encore and XL for 8 years that are waiting for the opportunity to move to a new airplane.

Same experience for me. Many of those SIC bids were for the >40k airplanes, and they went to PICs who voluntarily downgraded for those positions.

Plan to be in whatever plane you're assigned for quite a long time.

 

[johnsonrod]

Same experience for me. Many of those SIC bids were for the >40k airplanes, and they went to PICs who voluntarily downgraded for those positions.

Plan to be in whatever plane you're assigned for quite a long time.

That's what I thought... I am not a furloughee but I know a few people who are and they are considering whether to return.

How soon before the Beechjets and Encores are phased out?

 

[Willy21]

I have heard all Beechjets will be gone by the end of '14. With the number of Phenoms coming on property it would be a good guess that the encore and encore+ would follow soon after.

 

[gutshotdraw]

FSI may be the turd in Waldo's punch bowl in a couple of ways. They are having trouble retaining instructors and they don't hesitate to leave because of having to resign seniority numbers. If the grass doesn't turn out to be greener outside of FSI, they come back with no losses. FSI can't afford to lose instructors/examiners. It's worse than NJA because there are fewer of them, their work can't be sold off and it takes a lot longer to train one of them than a new line pilot (or transition)

My instructor at recurrent told me this very thing last week at recurrent. Right after he told me he is leaving FSI for a flying gig. He also told me it takes A YEAR to get a newbie fully up to speed to really teach solo.

 

[gunfyter]

My instructor at recurrent told me this very thing last week at recurrent. Right after he told me he is leaving FSI for a flying gig. He also told me it takes A YEAR to get a newbie fully up to speed to really teach solo.

They will just use NJA IPs

 

[Some guy]

I have heard all Beechjets will be gone by the end of '14. With the number of Phenoms coming on property it would be a good guess that the encore and encore+ would follow soon after.

I think there's only a handful left. The Brazillian Beechjets are coming fairly quick however.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

He also told me it takes A YEAR to get a newbie fully up to speed to really teach solo.

That could shut the place down faster than the old pledge

 

[billybob]

Any news out there?

3 of 6 on the recall or 16 in the next class from a friend on the road

 

[flagshipper]

it took 9 recalls to find the first 6. Attrition in January was 8 so they aren't even breaking even

 

[imacdog]

Nothing heard on a second class date or size. I would imagine though, that with the deferral process, if the company wants an exact number for a class then they will need to send the first notices well more than the required two weeks in advance. So hopefully we'll hear about the next round of letters going out soon.

 

[BentOver]

Hey Don K.

If you're on here, hang in there, you're only a few more numbers away.. Pulling for ya and hope it works out in your favor!!!

 

[B747Flyer]

it took 9 recalls to find the first 6. Attrition in January was 8 so they aren't even breaking even

I just trained one of the January 8 at Delta. He was a 2001 hire Gulfstream Capt. He told me that he's making more as an MD-88 F/O than he was as a 13 yr. Gulfstream Capt.

 

[flagshipper]

I heard most of the 8 that left were pretty senior captains. I guess if you are young enough a jump to Delta would make sense.

 

[RJ Bum]

I just trained one of the January 8 at Delta. He was a 2001 hire Gulfstream Capt. He told me that he's making more as an MD-88 F/O than he was as a 13 yr. Gulfstream Capt.

Interesting... But he may have been embellishing a bit... If he didn't try at NJA and only counted salary on the 7 on 7 off schedule he would have been making $132,219 a year... Based off of 80 hrs a month, he would have to be a 13yr MD-88 F/O.... Or is my math wrong??

 

[Wankel7]

Interesting... But he may have been embellishing a bit... If he didn't try at NJA and only counted salary on the 7 on 7 off schedule he would have been making $132,219 a year... Based off of 80 hrs a month, he would have to be a 13yr MD-88 F/O.... Or is my math wrong??

Be interesting to break it down to a daily rate... 182 days a year with 7n7 minus 28 days of vacation so 154 days a year at NJs....how many days a year as a Delta FO?

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Less Less

 

[billybob]

Any news out there?

We start a recall and then nothing......


We can do better than this, start the machines!!!
Nja to furlough 6 in July, Nja recalls all and looking for 250 for the 4q of this year. The BBJ is on the way back.

Nja will now send out apology letters to all union workers for not being nice.


Union leadership will go on a retreat with management next weekend so they can talk about the bylaws, it turns out they forgot to ask managment.


As a result there will be no Leading Edge next week
Come on guys make me smile

 

[billybob]

This just in........


General Lee to become new Njasap president!

Nja to become part of delta private jets as result